Originally Posted by navanodd (Post 2188930)

FRS+BRZ are collectively outselling the Camaro and GenCoupe. That just feels weird.

Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 2190907)

So this past weekend I went to two different Scion dealers (one while I serviced my car, and another because I was curious).

Couple things I noticed:
A. Both dealers had plenty of FR-S stock sitting on the lot.
B. I did not see a single FR-S stickered for less than $28.5k and I saw 2 release series both stickered for over $33k.

I know the base price for these things is still close to $25k but at lest in my area you cant get one for that price anymore.

If this pattern is typical (I dont know) I can understand why sales are going down.
No way in hell I would want to pay over $26k for an FR-S ($28k for a release series).

Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 2190907)

I know the base price for these things is still close to $25k but at lest in my area you cant get one for that price anymore.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2190919)

If you really want one for the base price you should be able to order one though, you would just have to wait.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2191121)

:laughabove:

They want nothing to do with you if you're not interested in buying what's on the lot, they're a Toyota dealer, not a Porsche dealer. I went through dozens of dealerships and nobody was willing to sell me the car I wanted, they all 'needed' leather seats and navigation and clear bra and trunk mats and upgraded headunits.

Originally Posted by thill (Post 2188810)

This was always the intent. There are simply far more Scions made and they have the cheaper price point.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2191121)

:laughabove:

They want nothing to do with you if you're not interested in buying what's on the lot, they're a Toyota dealer, not a Porsche dealer. I went through dozens of dealerships and nobody was willing to sell me the car I wanted, they all 'needed' leather seats and navigation and clear bra and trunk mats and upgraded headunits.

I even put down a deposit, explicitly saying no upgrades, bone stock, they agreed. Lo and behold it comes in several hundred dollars more expensive and when I ask why they added the headunit and wheel locks. So pissed off, got my deposit back will never set foot on that dealership lot again, nearly didn't buy the car at all. Those four weeks wasted cost me $800 as by the time I found someone willing to sell me what I wanted the price increased by $300 and the student discount decreased by $500.

Sorry, I go on this tirade about once every two or three months, fuck dealerships, let them all burn. No reason why buying a car should be any more complicated than buying a phone or television. Hell you can custom order a phone and have it on your doorstep within two weeks exactly the way you want it, different backing, different wallpaper, custom startup message, with no bullshit.

:mad0260:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2191146)

You might want to try a car buying service.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2191179)

I had almost to total opposite experience since mine already had everything done to it that I wanted I said I want "that one but a better price". They tried hard to push me towards a bone stock one but since it was the only MT Lava they had I said I was walking. So I ended up with about $4K of extras for under $1K.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2191180)

I one hundred percent will next time I'm searching for a new car.

You may have had success ordering cars but I had one dealership actually do it, probably talked to ~20-30 dealerships that either blew me off or flat out refused to get me the car I wanted.

I don't think I was difficult, I didn't require a specific color or anything, I didn't bitch about a discount I was perfectly happy to pay MSRP for a bone stock car with no add ons.

Bleh, I'm honestly really hoping I never have to buy a new car again. I am a millennial who does not want to buy a new car and it is solely due to the dealership experience.



Opposite? Sounds like they wanted to get you into any car that wasn't their showroom demo car. They had cars on the lot they wanted to sell you right?

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2191187)

Yep, bone stock just like you were after.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2191180)

You may have had success ordering cars but I had one dealership actually do it, probably talked to ~20-30 dealerships that either blew me off or flat out refused to get me the car I wanted.

I don't think I was difficult, I didn't require a specific color or anything, I didn't bitch about a discount I was perfectly happy to pay MSRP for a bone stock car with no add ons.

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2191198)

Sorry, it sounds like your anecdote completely proves my point that the Toyota dealerships are less interested in selling you the car you want and more interested in moving the product on their lot. Sure our locations favored different methods of selling (low effort no add ons move inventory vs. high effort lots of add-ons willing to wait out the customer) but ultimately the customer service should have been better.

Sounds like we should have swapped locations to buy cars :bonk: