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armstrom 06-15-2016 01:21 PM

Stock ECU decel fuel cut?
 
I'm pretty new to the FRS/BRZ/86 community but I've had fairly extensive experience with tuning older cars (MR2 turbo mostly). Most ECUs make heavy use of deceleration fuel cut (Overrun fuel cut) to save fuel and increase engine braking but I've noticed that my BRZ direct injector noise seems to remain the same even under heavy engine braking. I'm just curious if anyone can describe how the decel fuel cut functions on the stock ECU... Are the DI's always firing? I've also looked at some of the stock maps in RomRaider and noticed a map for DI fuel pressure targets, is the fuel pressure variable? How is it controlled?

Thanks!

-Matt

Mr Nerd 06-15-2016 04:04 PM

I don't know the full details but it is apparent that at least in 1st and 2nd gear it does not cut off fuel entirely on decel. You can confirm this by looking at your instant MPG calculation display on the dash. When decel in 1st and 2nd gear it will never reach anywhere close to the meters limit (127mpg). From my experience it never goes above 10mpgs while decel in 1st gear.

steve99 06-16-2016 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by armstrom (Post 2681336)
I'm pretty new to the FRS/BRZ/86 community but I've had fairly extensive experience with tuning older cars (MR2 turbo mostly). Most ECUs make heavy use of deceleration fuel cut (Overrun fuel cut) to save fuel and increase engine braking but I've noticed that my BRZ direct injector noise seems to remain the same even under heavy engine braking. I'm just curious if anyone can describe how the decel fuel cut functions on the stock ECU... Are the DI's always firing? I've also looked at some of the stock maps in RomRaider and noticed a map for DI fuel pressure targets, is the fuel pressure variable? How is it controlled?

Thanks!

-Matt


have a look in Romraider at the "over run fuelling " tables there about 4, they are related to load and rpm. At low loads on overrun above certain rpm limits injectors are shut off.


log the port and direct injector pulse widths


Fuel pressure is variable to the DI system and controlled by ECU.


Increasing these pressure multiplier was how the oft guys added the 30% extra fuelling required for E85, in conjunction with adjusting the PI injector scalar.

Kodename47 06-16-2016 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 2681989)
Fuel pressure is variable to the DI system and controlled by ECU.

Increasing these pressure targets was how the oft guys added the 30% extra fuelling required for E85, in conjunction with adjusting the PI injector scalar.


Don't confuse DI Pressure Targets and Pressure Multipliers. The 2 do very different things. DI pressure targets change the pressure in the fuel rail, where the limits are the physical pump. The pressure multipliers adjust the injector open time according to the fuel pressure.

OFT does not change the DI pressure targets. It adjusts the pressure multipliers.

steve99 06-16-2016 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 2682025)
Don't confuse DI Pressure Targets and Pressure Multipliers. The 2 do very different things. DI pressure targets change the pressure in the fuel rail, where the limits are the physical pump. The pressure multipliers adjust the injector open time according to the fuel pressure.

OFT does not change the DI pressure targets. It adjusts the pressure multipliers.


haha yes ill fix it up

armstrom 06-16-2016 08:53 AM

Thank you all for the great responses. I need to see if I can dig up the stock definitions for my ECU and do some datalogging.
-Matt

Wayno 06-17-2016 12:39 AM

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MY16 AU MT (F20P) I saw today has different overrun values than every other car, even 2016 cars in other markets.

Note:
- A and B are likely counterparts somehow.
- MY16 values seem to be richer at high rpm, not leaner, particularly in the B table.

Mr Nerd 06-17-2016 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayno (Post 2682890)
MY16 AU MT (F20P) I saw today has different overrun values than every other car, even 2016 cars in other markets.

Note:
- A and B are likely counterparts somehow.
- MY16 values seem to be richer at high rpm, not leaner, particularly in the B table.

English please?

Wayno 06-17-2016 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Nerd (Post 2682965)
English please?

Manners please?


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