Originally Posted by geezerbrzeezer (Post 2677826)

Let's see now, 6 sticks over twenty-nine years and half a million km's, ranging from a '79 Z28 to a 98 Dakota Sport 4x4. And now a 2016 BRZ.

I'm not sure I understand how the MT in the twins provides 'more control' than the AT in manual mode - I'm honestly not arguing - I just want to understand your point. Please educate me.

A 'more pleasurable propostion'? You mean like you get to keep one hand on the wheel vs me optionally keeping two? And you've got to shove in a third pedal to orchestrate a shift, whereas I merely tap a paddle, F1 style? And you, not you you of course, could accidentally mis-shift, whereas I pretty much can't?

Having enjoyed this BRZ for three months, I can honestly say that the only reason my six MT's were sticks is because AT paddles were not optional on any of my past rides.

I get the 'purist' sentiment, but I would nowadays no sooner want to push in a third pedal to enable a shift, than I would want to use a hand crank (vs a button) to start my car.

Engagement? Hell, why not take it a step further - cut a hole in your floor and use Fred Flintstone brakes (great road feel guaranteed).

disclaimer: the above was written tongue in cheek, except for the parts that weren't

Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2677187)

Because you are repeatedly ignoring both my argument why such confusion is LESS likely with using one foot for each pedal than when right foot is used for both pedals, as well as links to articles stating that there is no evidence that left-foot-brakers make such mistakes ore often, I see no point in further discussion.

You are not the first person I met on the Internet who thinks that their unfounded opinion beats everything else, and I know that those people wouldn't be convinced even by a formal and strictly conducted scientific study.

Originally Posted by mdm (Post 2684014)

Let me quote my earlier post, with added emphasis.



I see no point in further discussion.

Originally Posted by justatroll (Post 2683994)

On the track there is a corner that I am at the limits of cohesion and I have to execute a downshift in the middle of the corner. I am certain that if I did NOT have a MT I would not be able to maintain that speed or the downshift would upset the car.

Originally Posted by geezerbrzeezer (Post 2684206)

From Road & Track (an opinion echoed by many others):

Say what you will, but the fastest and the most consistent way to swap gears is with a paddle-shift manual transmission. Period. Just as with anti-lock brakes, no human foot can cycle the brakes as quickly as a computer to slow down the car.

If the singular goal is to get around the track as fast as possible, then the transmission should be mechanized. No human can match a machine's consistency and accuracy. The advantages of paddle shift not only proved themselves in our autocross test, you can see the evidence in any top-rung racing series where mechanized transmissions have become the norm.

Originally Posted by 86kahl (Post 2684078)

So why do I keep seeing this "use both feet in AT cuz racekor" argument derailing threads?

Originally Posted by FingerDiddle (Post 2684160)

If you're silly enough to drive AT with both feet please don't ever drive on the same road as me, my wife and daughter don't need to die for your stupidity.

Originally Posted by justatroll (Post 2683994)

One simple answer: You cant heel-toe a AT to minimize the jolt to the drivetrain.


On the track there is a corner that I am at the limits of cohesion and I have to execute a downshift in the middle of the corner. I am certain that if I did NOT have a MT I would not be able to maintain that speed or the downshift would upset the car.

Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2684499)

Remember ATs are not all born equal. Supercars and megacars have very special transmissions that take the best from both worlds (AT and MT) to deliver a very optimised system and they can't be compared to the general slush boxes that are tweaked through paddle shifts. Another point to note the new 911R is near identical to the GT3RS but for one fact and I'll let you guess what that is...