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Yoniyama 05-27-2016 01:59 PM

2017 FT-86 More power for manual but not for automatic transmission
 
According to Car & Driver, more power and torque came from

"The BRZ’s 2.0-liter flat-four has less internal friction and increased airflow, resulting in a small uptick in output of 5 horsepower and 5 lb-ft of torque, for new totals of 205 and 156. Aided by slightly shorter gearing, acceleration is claimed to be improved—at least with the standard six-speed manual gearbox. Neither the higher output nor the different gearing applies to cars with the optional six-speed automatic transmission"


I suppose the engine and intake/exhaust are common for all Toybarus, regardless of transmission. I wonder how they achieve different power for the two transmission, unless the programming is different? Any idea?

FRSBRZGT86FAN 05-27-2016 03:53 PM

Because there probably is a power increase it's just lost through the automatic transmission

darthpnoy1984 05-27-2016 04:05 PM

Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

FX86 05-27-2016 04:21 PM

even with that extra 5hp and 5lbs torque ...you still won't beat that soccer mom that pulls up next to you in that v6 odyssey haha

funwheeldrive 05-27-2016 04:56 PM

This is Toyota's way of trying to convince people to buy a manual.

xFury 05-27-2016 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2664115)
Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

Serious questions, wouldn't that raise the price tag tho? Would be nice to have that DCT tho lol.

ZionsWrath 05-27-2016 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2664115)
Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

While that sounds nice, the price increase for that I wouldn't buy it. And I'm sure a lot of others wouldn't either.

What is the cheapest dual clutch out there right now?

kch 05-27-2016 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xFury (Post 2664239)
Serious questions, wouldn't that raise the price tag tho? Would be nice to have that DCT tho lol.

increase pricetag and weight for sure.

gramicci101 05-27-2016 06:21 PM

Considering that the 205 number is bhp and measured before the transmission, and I really doubt Subaru will be making completely different engines for each transmission, I have to assume that Car & Driver doesn't have their information correct.

MrBlaze-65 05-27-2016 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2664242)
While that sounds nice, the price increase for that I wouldn't buy it. And I'm sure a lot of others wouldn't either.

What is the cheapest dual clutch out there right now?

I wouldn't mind something like what the 370z's manual transmission has where it rev matches for you.

N1rve 05-27-2016 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2664115)
Toyota should explore DCT or PDK transmission tech maybe in the 2 gen we'll see a better case for AT. Though personally I'm happy with way the AT responds on the twins.

DCT is most likely a cost issue. It would appeal to a smaller audience that is willing to pay maybe 2-3k more than a regular automatic transmission.

FR-Sky 05-27-2016 06:34 PM

Doesnt matter to me. I will drive my frs until it cant run anymore or sti version come out.

funwheeldrive 05-27-2016 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2664242)
What is the cheapest dual clutch out there right now?

I don't think it's being made anymore, but didn't the Lancer Ralliart come with a dual clutch?

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramicci101 (Post 2664249)
Considering that the 205 number is bhp and measured before the transmission, and I really doubt Subaru will be making completely different engines for each transmission, I have to assume that Car & Driver doesn't have their information correct.

Maybe the auto has a less aggressive tune?

Packofcrows 05-27-2016 08:51 PM

Its basically a FRS with a TRD Intake/Exhaust haha


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