you guys do realize the systems are still on even though you press the TCS button for 5 sec right??? Drive hard enough and the light will still flash at you on the dash and you will feel the tcs cut in. personally i've usually only seen it on big drift angles or if a wheel catches air.

The only way to really turn off the systems is the pedal dance.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25494

Regardless, you as a human cannot beat the ECU when it comes to safety. You cannot individually brake certain wheels like it can.

i only use vsc sport...don't need to turn it all off on the streets but before i pull into the dealership sometimes i turn it all off to make myself seem like a hot shot driver when the kid gets into to drive my car to the back :cool:

I only turn on Sport Mode when I gotta accelerate out of a turn quickly. I pretty much never turn off the entire traction control. Probably 95% of my driving is with everything on.

Haven't driven RWD in 30 years until the BRZ, and it's been interesting to reacquaint with the idiosyncracies of rear drive. Many quick turns at right-on-red traffic lights will blip the traction system as one of the rear tires lifts, where FWD would pull you around that corner fast and flawlessly. So I leave the systems on all the time, but I often wonder about the gray area and whether on or off would be better. I have experienced being left high and dry with no power for a second only once, but I wouldn't call the middle of a busy intersection "fun."

Anyway, I guess I'm glad the car is equipped. It is a Subaru, after all.

I drive in the street with all the nannies on. I only turn off TCS when i experiment with the car in a relatively safe environment (parking lot etc). i'm not on stock tires, so i have to lose grip on purpose to break them loose, or drive faster than i should in the street, for the nannies to kick in.

I very much doubt you're getting lift... more likely you're slipping the entire rear end a little. Unless you've screwed up your suspension...

I turned mine off once two years ago when it snowed a 1/2 inch on the way to work.
Had melted by the time for the the drive home.

http://www.beastronix.com/shop/86nanny-speed-academy/.

As a human I'm more predictable than the ECU. On a track I don't want surprises and faster lap times are possible with the system off.

On the street I put the car in sport mode as part of start up because the full nanny mode is intolerably intrusive but I leave the system on. There is really absolutely no reason to turn it full off on a public road and I very rarely do. It's a safety net and my ego isn't larger than the 25k check I'd have to write to replace the car. Occasionally I I'll tap the TC button to turn the system off until ~32mph some wheel slip to get out a bit faster.

Off for autocrossing, I've never used the pedal dance and doubt I ever will although the OFT makes it easy to do so.

It's super easy.

2x brake and hold, 2x handbrake and hold, 2x brake.

About 5 seconds to turn it off.

It's so easy, I wonder why people bother having a special box to do it. The install time alone, you could have pedal danced a few hundred times.

Lately I do it every day.

My snow tires are dead.. so I'm just eating up the tread on them for fun. Sliding everywhere :thumbsup:

Rain is bad though.. I'll just do sport.

My wife and I began our first cross-country trip home from the Bay Area in heavy rain. It stayed with us the entire trip North. I immediately realized that at highway speed, I either reacted more quickly to hydroplane, or had greater tolerance for it than the nannies did. I tried patiently for an hour to work with it both in and out of cruise mode but inevitably, we both ended up correcting for the same thing and the argument actually made things worse. It really messes with my rhythm. The 5-second push does not help. It still interferes with me in many situations.

My wife is super comfortable with my driving. Even in twisties, she just kicks back and does her thing so when I pulled off of the highway and pedal danced, she barely looked up. I noticed the improvement right away but a few minutes in, she looked up from knitting and said something like "Man, that makes a big difference."

So, yeah, I pretty much hate the nannies.

What's your point? I know how to do the dance, and my oft would make it foolproof even if I didn't, I just don't see a need for doing it with driving I'm doing. I've maybe seen the TC light up once when I'm axing with the TC off and it was when things were going very sideways. In other words it wasn't slowing me down.

You said OFT makes it easy, and my point is that it's easy anyway. :sigh: