Thanks for the info. I have done research on it, I just never heard it was confirmed that we don't have flash counter.

You are right but remember that the knife cuts both ways. You can have a ton of Torque and very little HP.

One of the more memorable cars I ever drive was a Renault Laguna Turbo diesel. That thing pulled like it was connected to a freight train. But the shift light came on at 3500 rpm telling me to grab the next gear. (Only has like 110 ft-lbs but it was right there from the start)

If I had my druthers, I would like the FRS to produce 300 ft-lbs and 300 HP at about 5500 rpm. Torque would pretty much be all in by 2000 rpm.

With the right gearing that would allow me to do in-town driving on three gears and strong pulls on to the freeway with a jump into overdrive once I was merged.

I would also get rid of one gear while I am at it since 6 speeds are kinda stupid in the first place; more of an affectation that a need as far as I am concerned.

But now I have built a "Muscle Car" rather than a sports car. Sports cars are more about doing the most with the least: Least power, least weight and least braking for turns.

Been dreaming about throwing a dirtymax under the hood of the FRS. Maybe one day...

At what point is it enough though? If you had 50 or even 100 more horsepower can you honestly say you would never push that gain to its limit?

the point where it's 'enough' is an individual thing, and is different for different people. why don't we start reducing HP numbers from stock so we can ask: at what point is it not enough?

our cars come with 200 HP stock at the crank. let's say they came with 150. Would that be enough? for some, it may be. for those with unmodified stock engines, what's the lowest HP that you'd have been happy with, that came with these cars? if you say '200', then what about 190? 180? is that too little? why? because it 'feels' right with 200 HP? to some, it may feel right with 250.

how much is too much HP for this car? 500 HP? 400? 10,000? There's an upper and lower limit that most of us will all agree on. What makes someone happy is a number somewhere in between those limits, and it's going to be different for different people. I'm not sure why it's so hard to comprehend that not everyone has the same exact number in mind, and that this argument keeps going on.

If the car came stock with what you can get from UEL E85 tune (~30+ hp) would be perfect if it was NA.

If it came with a turbo, I'd imagine I'd be happy at 260hp stock. Then I'd proceed to add all the bolt ons to get 300 wheel.


back to the topic though, at 300hp crank, it'd just be a fun as hell daily.

In what way would it be more fun? What would you do with it that you can't do with it having 200hp?

With 300hp, i'd accelerate faster than I could with 200 hp.
I'd go faster out of a turn or accelerate on a straight. that's what i'd do with it; and have more fun doing it. especially with no one around, on a lonely curvy road with some nice long straights in between.

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IT'S NEVER ENOUGH!

If anyone is curious @joe strummer has a knack for these kind of threads so far:


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/searc...rchid=12306406


2 out of the 3 posts in the "actual" part of the forum have been useless drivel

What is your point? You posted five times on this thread. What are you, 17 years old?

Seriously folks how much more power do you need out of this car? I feel even at stock form it's more than adequate enough for DD.

Define need. It's a nebulous term and even if an individual could quantify it as I have, the definition would be factually different from person to person. It sounds like it is all you "need" and also all I "need," but what you and I need is not the same as what another person might realistically need for their uses and neither the same as what we "want."


It's not a math problem, it's a conceptual question.


I "needed" a reliable new car with a full warrantee. Check.


I "needed" it to be somewhat exciting, but that need was based on non-negotiable wants. I didn't need those wants, but the only way the thing that I truly needed would satisfy enough to where I didn't mess with it and screw up the very part of it I needed, ie. reliability, it had to be good enough in stock form that I would not be tempted to cut my legs out from under me by "tuning" it. It had to have enough power to do stupid things and be RWD. Check.


Now, is it what I really wanted, not overall, but life is about compromise and this one made good sense. Am I pleased with the anemic power and the boring nature of this engine? Absolutely not. Am I pleased about everything else on the car, damned near. Good compromise.


My GT-R is all that I "want." It's necessarily broken and thousands of dollars of parts are scattered all over the place. It is not what I "need." I want it though which means I need a new, reliable car. And the circle is complete.