Originally Posted by [YOYO] (Post 2641350)

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2641591)

Ahhhh ....... seeeee .......so, you work on the 10th floor ??....... ;)


humfrz

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2641466)

There can be a downside if you are getting an insurance discount because the car has DRLs and you have disabled them. Likely to go unnoticed after an accident, but I could see where it could cause you an issue once it does.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2641540)

Big downside here would be the $250 ticket for disabling a safety device on a vehicle so equipped. Anybody disabling them may want to check their local laws or be prepared to pay up without whining if they get a ticket.

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2641760)

I thought I posted a response to this earlier. Weird.



I can't see how. You're not modifying the vehicle. You're getting an insurance discount for having a vehicle equipped with DRLs. Once you disable them in the software, your vehicle is still equipped with DRLs. You're just not using them.

My insurer provides a discount for having a car alarm installed. They won't deny coverage if my alarm isn't turned on.

My insurer's discount for DRLs is 1%. They might as well just put on the website, "We know these don't actually do anything, but here's $5 for trying."



Must be a Canada thing. It's not illegal in the US to turn off DRLs, unless maybe the People's Republik of Kalifornia has made it so for its subjects.

And even if it were illegal, some cars come with DRLs, while others do not. Cops don't sit around and memorize which ones are supposed to have DRLs. They won't have any idea you have disabled them.

And even if they did, it wouldn't be a "disabling saftey device" ticket. It would be a fix-it ticket. You would just go back in with Techstream, turn them back on and demonstrate to any sworn law enforcement officer that they work. The cop signs the ticket, you mail it to the clerk of court and the ticket is dismissed without you paying anything.

Then you turn the fuckers right back off and LOL.

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2641648)

Exactly it makes the car look that much more expensive:

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2642020)

I don't know why got deprived of the DRL LED and HID's here in the states where other countries had it, Scion baffled me I think they should've had this standard right from the get go it seriously makes the car stand out a million times better in my opinion.

Thank God for Winjets :) frankly the best and first mods to do on this car.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2642032)

Answer to that is easy


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


The rest of the world paid for them and people already complain the FRS was "overpriced" with what it has.

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2642020)

I don't know why got deprived of the DRL LED and HID's here in the states where other countries had it, Scion baffled me I think they should've had this standard right from the get go it seriously makes the car stand out a million times better in my opinion.

Thank God for Winjets :) frankly the best and first mods to do on this car.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2642032)

Answer to that is easy


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


The rest of the world paid for them and people already complain the FRS was "overpriced" with what it has.

Originally Posted by darthpnoy1984 (Post 2642039)

It's hard to please everyone they gave us the car people still complained, lack of power etc etc. we got the Toyota badge now and there's still complaining LOL....

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2642032)

The rest of the world paid for them and people already complain the FRS was "overpriced" with what it has.

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2642056)

That's really not a fair characterization. Toyota created this situation in the US by hyping the fact that it would be a cheap sports car and going so far as to publish pricing targets that they couldn't possibly meet without cutting corners. People who thought it was going to be a $22K or $23K car were disappointed to see the base model at $25K. Then they looked at what the higher model got and were further disappointed to see that the car they really wanted was going to cost them upwards of $30K once all the paperwork was done.

Of course they could have said all along that it would be a $30K sports car, and people would have yawned and ignored it, and it would never have hit the market at all. But even so, it's hard to blame people for feeling a little misled early on about the price and options, especially when you see options for overseas models they didn't sell here at all.

Like that full sized spare with the lumpy cargo mat in Australia. I may end up importing one of those.

Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2642056)

That's really not a fair characterization. Toyota created this situation in the US by hyping the fact that it would be a cheap sports car and going so far as to publish pricing targets that they couldn't possibly meet without cutting corners. People who thought it was going to be a $22K or $23K car were disappointed to see the base model at $25K. Then they looked at what the higher model got and were further disappointed to see that the car they really wanted was going to cost them upwards of $30K once all the paperwork was done.

Of course they could have said all along that it would be a $30K sports car, and people would have yawned and ignored it, and it would never have hit the market at all. But even so, it's hard to blame people for feeling a little misled early on about the price and options, especially when you see options for overseas models they didn't sell here at all.

Like that full sized spare with the lumpy cargo mat in Australia. I may end up importing one of those.

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2642067)

$23000 would've been incredible and alot of naysayers would've been shut up at that price.

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2642045)

That's actually my car in the photos :lol: It also was my first mod , to anyone that gets them a 5000K quality HID kit and the fteightysix DRL mod are a must have with it.

I can see why it isn't included in the FR-S thought, as tcoat said it's budgetary. A proper D2S HID headlight with those DRL Led strips would be a good $800 increase in the price, including getting it legal in the north america. Also remember the FR-S is the cheap "stripper" version of the car.

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2641053)

Thanks for responding to my question.

Well, now, folks ....... I usually try to keep an open mind to most things.

So, I went out and fired up my machine (MT) and the DRLs came on. I set the parking brake to get out to look at them and they went off.

I'm thinking that I never would (almost never) leave my car running in neutral and exit it, without setting the parking brake........ so, I would never see my machines DRLs, even if they were ugly.

So, I left my car running and got out and looked at the DRLs. I think they look pretty neat. :

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2642097)

I am sure I am one of the very small minority that does not like the HIDs and strip DRLs. I am 100% satisfied with what we got as far as lights go and would be looking to swap out anything that had the HIDs in it. Just a throw back for me I guess.