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taiquach 05-15-2017 06:02 AM

I had mine installed a week ago and have put a few hundred miles on the coilover , just want to give some impression of how I feel about it compare to stock suspension that I have been dd for 4 and 1/2 years , out of the box it look extremely nice , the install was pretty easy , the coilover was preset to give about 1/2" drop front/rear , after few days of driving to and back from work on the same route that i have commuted over the years , the first word i have to say is amazing , it greatly improve the ride quality and handling performance of the car , i chose this coil mainly because of the reviews from the previous user on this forum and every thing have been said is true , in my op this is big bang for buck regarding suspension mod and i am glad that i put it on my car. THANKS JERRICK

NLSP 05-15-2017 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by taiquach (Post 2910414)
I had mine installed a week ago and have put a few hundred miles on the coilover , just want to give some impression of how I feel about it compare to stock suspension that I have been dd for 4 and 1/2 years , out of the box it look extremely nice , the install was pretty easy , the coilover was preset to give about 1/2" drop front/rear , after few days of driving to and back from work on the same route that i have commuted over the years , the first word i have to say is amazing , it greatly improve the ride quality and handling performance of the car , i chose this coil mainly because of the reviews from the previous user on this forum and every thing have been said is true , in my op this is big bang for buck regarding suspension mod and i am glad that i put it on my car. THANKS JERRICK

Thanks for the feedback, makes me feel even better about purchasing these :) I haven't installed mine yet. Any photos of your car at the preset height?

r3myx626 05-18-2017 01:04 AM

Anyone know how these compare to stock 2017 suspension? The '17s have a very good ride quality that I want to replicate while maybe dropping 1/2-1" and running wider wheels (17x8 or 17x9).

SuperTom 05-18-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by r3myx626 (Post 2912298)
Anyone know how these compare to stock 2017 suspension? The '17s have a very good ride quality that I want to replicate while maybe dropping 1/2-1" and running wider wheels (17x8 or 17x9).



I will be installing mine over the weekend. My '17 just broken in at 1000 miles should be a good comparison. One reason I went with these coilovers is the lower spring rate in the rear which is what I believe they did to the stock '17s. Should keep the current balance similar just more amplified

taiquach 05-18-2017 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLSP (Post 2910419)
Thanks for the feedback, makes me feel even better about purchasing these :) I haven't installed mine yet. Any photos of your car at the preset height?

I haven't had a chance to take any picture yet , was too busy with work and try to play a little with the coilover setting , anyway 1/2 in drop look not much different compare to stock , I have stock wheel with pilot super sport and front tower brace just like your , my current setting was 8 clicks from full hard all around and I really like it for daily commuting or occasional spirited drive , you can try that setting and go up/down to find what fit for your driving style , have fun.

r3myx626 05-18-2017 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperTom (Post 2912380)
I will be installing mine over the weekend. My '17 just broken in at 1000 miles should be a good comparison. One reason I went with these coilovers is the lower spring rate in the rear which is what I believe they did to the stock '17s. Should keep the current balance similar just more amplified

I'll definitely look out for your impressions. My understanding from other posts is they tuned the dampers which made a bigger impact for comfort. Congrats on '17

SuperTom 05-21-2017 06:16 PM

I promised my review here it is have about 50 miles on shitty and good roads until full alignment is complete.

I must say the comfort level is amazing have all dampening set right in the middle for now. Might be in my head but it does sound like you can hear the tires and road noise a little more at first but I got used to it quick. The coilovers themselves are silent even in low speed bumps. Only slight negative was for some reason the Driver Rear side had to be turned a lot to get even drop. Can probably only go another 1/2" before running out of turn.


Installed with Racer X LCA's. Don't mind the zipties on the headlight bobber it was just temporary as I need a longer bolt.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...psuugul2n1.jpg


Accidentaly set the Front end link on the DR side Before lowering it that has since been fixed. Silver tape is to count how many turns
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...psvc0bhzeu.jpg


Here it is with eyeballed alignment.


Stock height measured from the ground to center fender was 26 6/16" front, and 26 10/16" rear.


Set it at 24 13/16" front both sides, Rear 25" DrR, 24 15/16" PasR. It seemed like the Dr R side too a lot more turns that the others to get lower was getting close to running out adjustment.


So about 1 9/16"(~1.5") drop front, 1 11/16"(~1.75") drop rear
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...pshu3alurg.jpg


Added 20mm Fr, 25mm rear spacers to stock wheels painted Graphite.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...ps1zs0ult4.jpg

r3myx626 05-22-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperTom (Post 2914190)
I must say the comfort level is amazing have all dampening set right in the middle for now. Might be in my head but it does sound like you can hear the tires and road noise a little more at first but I got used to it quick. The coilovers themselves are silent even in low speed bumps.

So comfort and ride quality is better than stock '17? If so, that's impressive. Thanks for the update.

SuperTom 05-22-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by r3myx626 (Post 2914602)
So comfort and ride quality is better than stock '17? If so, that's impressive. Thanks for the update.



Comfort wise yes notice no difference or any sounds compared to stock. Settings right in the middle of 32 clicks. Just the slight increase in road and tire noise being closer to the ground I suppose. Havent had the chance to performance test them until I get my alignment Wed morning.


Also unofficially weighed these compared to stock with me standing on my scale.
Rears were the same weight. Front stock struts I had ~15lbs, MeisterR fronts I had ~12 lbs. Good for a total 6lbs off the front. I believe that is unsprung mass :happyanim:

gkr 05-28-2017 03:14 PM

Ok so today my short meisterr ZETA CRD+ impressions GT86 2014
All tests was on same track - same route

FIRST VISIT - Factory geo setup , enkei RPF1 17x7 et42, FEDERAL 595 RSR 215/45
Best lap time was just around 1:0356 - I think on this setup it was my car limit....

SECOND VISIT - MEISTERR ZETA CRD+, ST sway bars Hard settings front and rear, custom geo, enkei RPF1 17x7 et42, FEDERAL 595 RSR 215/45. After dumping setting (5 from full hard front, 7 from full hard rear) My best lap time next week was 1:0053 - so almost 3 second better. Car feels great well balanced and stable , on narrow curves almost no body roll - big improvment compering to stock, no additional sounds from suspension even on bumpy roads

Drop right now is 0.8 inch front and rear

THIRD VISIT - (a lot hotter than before just around 30"C) MEISTERR ZETA CRD+, ST sway bars Hard setting front and rear, custom geo, enkei RPF1 17x7 et42, FEDERAL 595 RSR 215/45.

On first few laps car was too tail happy on previous setting (2.2bar front pressure, 1.8 bar rear pressure) So i changed rear dumping setting for 10 clics from full hard in rear - great change no slides , after few laps I improve my best lap 58:003, so from last time it was almost next two second.

Overall impresions - great suspension in this price rage, no problem on my daily road (DD setup, 20 from full hard fron , 2,4 bar front pressure , 22 from full hard rear pressure 2.1 bar, No problem on bumpy roads. Less harash than stock suspension, great stability on high speed turns and highway speeds - for me it is great for DD and 2/3 track sessions per month.








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Surj_brz 06-13-2017 08:19 PM

initial impression
 
Just got them installed - ride height set to 25.25" all round. Drove home (~25 miles) on the hardest settings :D

Very quiet, no knocking or creaking. Yes its stiff but I just pulled the carpeting out the back and reset to mid way all round and will play with it a little before hitting MRLS next week.

Steering feels very direct, car feels even more cartlike - I think I'm going to like it.

Thanks Jerrick for the support, answering my questions well before I bought, the pre-load instructions etc.

nyfries 06-22-2017 04:55 PM

Can anybody post a photo of the coilover beside the stock parts? Want to see size comprision

SuperTom 06-22-2017 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nyfries (Post 2933565)
Can anybody post a photo of the coilover beside the stock parts? Want to see size comprision

Sorry sold my stockers but the front was thinner and 3lbs lighter. The rears where about the same size and weight.

FRS311 06-22-2017 06:27 PM

I've had this set of coilovers installed for a couple of weeks now and I've been pleased so far. It's definitely firmer than the stock suspension was, but as others have said it's not harsh. I installed a set of Velox LCAs in the rear to accommodate camber adjustment and have the rear set at -1.7 degrees. The front is set at -1.8 degrees and these worked well for me at my first autocross event last weekend. I'm sure I'll increase those numbers for future events, but that will likely coincide with more aggressive tires as well.

http://i.imgur.com/VbtBlVr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dZw9xL2.jpg

nyfries 06-22-2017 06:52 PM

Anybody have these coils with 17x9 +35 245 tires? My rpf1 has really tight clearance right now on stock suspensions. Want to try these coil but concern about clearance issue. Seems like these are around the same size as stock

SuperTom 06-22-2017 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nyfries (Post 2933647)
Anybody have these coils with 17x9 +35 245 tires? My rpf1 has really tight clearance right now on stock suspensions. Want to try these coil but concern about clearance issue. Seems like these are around the same size as stock



no the rear is close to stock the front in thinner. Most clearance issues are up front. Im sure most coilovers on the market are similar diameters unless specified

jeepmor 07-01-2017 05:10 PM

Are these rebuildable? Been lurking in suspension area for a while, now that I've got my Enkei RPF1s, time to think about coilovers as the next step. Not too interested in tracking the car, just enthusiastic canyon carving.

MeisterR 07-04-2017 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jeepmor (Post 2938866)
Are these rebuildable? Been lurking in suspension area for a while, now that I've got my Enkei RPF1s, time to think about coilovers as the next step. Not too interested in tracking the car, just enthusiastic canyon carving.

The damper can be rebuild, but it is more economical to replace them.
As generally servicing of a mono-tube damper will run about $150, and that is assuming there are no there parts that need replacing.

A new damper core unit isn't far off that, so once you factor in shipping cost and turn around time, a replacement works out as a better choice.

However, the damper unit is rebuildable, and we do them all the time as part of our GT1 custom built damper.
It is not a "sealed" unit if that is your concern.

Jerrick

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 07-18-2017 06:46 PM

I'll add my two cents. They are indeed very comfortable and the ride is almost comparable to OEM. I first tried 16 clicks (middle setting), which was a bit bumpy. Then I put it to 20 clicks towards the softer side (so 4 clicks to soft from the middle) and the ride is pretty much perfect.

https://s26.postimg.org/72ev7q44p/image.jpg

choiboie 07-26-2017 09:23 PM

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almost finished installing will update on how they ride in a few days!! Can't wait


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choiboie 07-27-2017 10:30 AM

Did everyone change their preload on the rear springs before install. I didn't touch mine. And wondering if I should do the 10mm preload compression


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SuperTom 07-27-2017 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by choiboie (Post 2952538)
Did everyone change their preload on the rear springs before install. I didn't touch mine. And wondering if I should do the 10mm preload compression


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Someone sent me a email with the measurements to set the preload and that is what I went with. It did need minor adjustment out of the box.

mpross 08-03-2017 10:42 PM

Sorry for not commenting in a while-haven't had much free time to be on the forums. It's been over a year with these coilovers now and still have zero issues. They feel exactly like they did on day one. Still a daily driver and autocrossed often. A+


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NLSP 10-31-2017 03:07 AM

Small update/contribution:

4000km (2500 miles) on mine so far and loving it! No weird noises and I love the range of damping adjustments. This car is my daily, so being able to have a comfortable setting was an important factor for me. They can ride just as good, if not better than stock in the softer settings.

When it comes time to hit the canyons, bump it up a few clicks and they'll give you so much more confidence and reduced body roll over stock, while still maintaining an acceptable ride. They can be set to be firm, but it never feels harsh.

For daily driving, I find myself liking 18 clicks from full hard front & rear. Tire pressure set at 31psi front & rear on a 92SL tire.


On a side note, I couldn't help but notice the similarity between these and the Blitz coilovers, especially the camber plate/top mount. The markings, studs, allen bolts, knob, etc all look identical. But I guess it's not a bad thing if they do in fact share components/manufacturer :)

http://www.meisterr.co.uk/Pics/Post/FRS/Review1/2.jpghttps://c7.staticflickr.com/2/1506/2...f5aa1346_b.jpg

SuperTom 10-31-2017 09:10 AM

that blitz kit is $800 so I wouldn't be surprised if they were made in the same factory then a sticker stuck on it

sam69 11-01-2017 01:49 AM

These look very similar to the TOG 1 coilovers I've got in our 86 bar the locking rings and spring winding, top plates are identical.

I'd have a guess they are made in Taiwan where the TOG's are made and have to say I couldn't be happier either as they made the car soooo much more comfy plus handle extremely well to boot .

Capt Spaulding 11-01-2017 01:18 PM

How does the available suspension travel compare to the OEM units?

MeisterR 11-02-2017 06:44 PM

While there are many suspension on the market that looks similar, what set the MeisterR ZetaCRD apart is the CRD (Close Ratio Damping) valving that we engineered in house in our UK workshop.

http://www.meisterr.co.uk/Pics/Post/...taCRDdyno2.png

The CRD valving run a much closer damping ratio than most valving found on the market, especially for McPherson Strut used on the front of the 86.
This provide shaper steering response, crisper turn in, and better control on stiffer damping setting.
On softer damper setting, they will provide a compliant ride quality and good traction over uneven road surfaces.

That is the main difference that makes the MeisterR coilovers stand out from the rest of the other suspension.

The locking collar is also our own unique design, and is currently under UK Patent Pending status. :thumbsup:
There will not be another company in the world using the same collar design as us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding (Post 2999050)
How does the available suspension travel compare to the OEM units?

The MeisterR coilovers focus a bit more on compression travel in order to allow the suspension provide good ride comfort over uneven road surfaces.
The stiffer springs rate provided push the static position of the piston upward compare to the OEM setup.
We aim to pack the longest travel damper we can within the given space at our targeted ride height adjustment range.

The total travel is 120mm front (4.72"), and 105mm rear (4.13")

Jerrick

solidONE 11-04-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by choiboie (Post 2952308)

Crocodiles.. nice!:thumbsup:

sato 02-12-2018 04:36 PM

Thanks for everybody's input.... Great thread.

So, if I understand this correctly, these coilovers can be left at stock ride height, and have similar comfort to OEM dampers? I come from a stock 2014 FR-S. My aim is mainly to have a very comfortable (better than OEM if possible) and might lower car a bit in the future but might only do 1” (not at first). These seem like a good set for my goals (might track later, mainly DD), but very worried about handling on crappy roads around here.

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 02-12-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sato (Post 3042993)
Thanks for everybody's input.... Great thread.

So, if I understand this correctly, these coilovers can be left at stock ride height, and have similar comfort to OEM dampers? I come from a stock 2014 FR-S. My aim is mainly to have a very comfortable (better than OEM if possible) and might lower car a bit in the future but might only do 1” (not at first). These seem like a good set for my goals (might track later, mainly DD), but very worried about handling on crappy roads around here.

no issues with our crappy roads up here and tons of snow and ice

MeisterR 04-10-2018 06:53 PM

Bringing this back up now that we have release the revised ZetaCRD+ with the 5/5 springs rate.
Also, we should have some review with new ClubRace coilovers. :)

Jerrick

NLSP 02-02-2020 12:28 AM

Bump.

I'm still rocking them 2.5 years later and still enjoying them. Daily driven, even through winter/snow/salt. No issues to report :)

Anybody else still running these?

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 02-02-2020 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NLSP (Post 3296088)
Bump.

I'm still rocking them 2.5 years later and still enjoying them. Daily driven, even through winter/snow/salt. No issues to report :)

Anybody else still running these?

Yeah. Not happy with them though. But I have learned from the experience and now when I get something like a KW V3, I’ll REALLY appreciate the difference. Not happy with the damping but these are entry level after all.

NLSP 02-02-2020 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh (Post 3296109)
Yeah. Not happy with them though. But I have learned from the experience and now when I get something like a KW V3, I’ll REALLY appreciate the difference. Not happy with the damping but these are entry level after all.

That's unfortunate. I was actually kinda in the same boat for period of time too, but when I revised by damping settings with relation to my tire pressure and tire load index, it made a pretty significant difference in the ride and handling. So I've come to appreciate them now and realized it was me that didn't dial things in optimally.

What are your damping settings now? And what tire model, size, and pressures are you running?

On the topic of KW's, I previously owned a set of RCE (KW) Tarmac 0's with the optional Swift springs in the past. Going from memory, I don't know if I can say they were worth almost twice the price (for street and occasional autocross at least; don't have track experience with either set). I also didn't want to bother sending them back and forth down to the US for a rebuild when it came time for it, and they were a tad too stiff for me as a daily driver. But I'm sure KW V3 are more street-friendly.

Part of the reason why I went for the MeisterR's was the ability to just buy and replace the shocks when/if the time came, and just to experiment with my first-ever set of "cheap/entry-level" coilovers. So far, I am not disappointed after I dialed things in better.

SuperTom 02-02-2020 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLSP (Post 3296088)
Bump.

I'm still rocking them 2.5 years later and still enjoying them. Daily driven, even through winter/snow/salt. No issues to report :)

Anybody else still running these?

Still rocking mine about the same amount of time.

SInce ive taken ~400lbs off the car I went back and adjusted all the Shock settings to full Negative. The car is less bouncy now.

I also went to slighty change the right height lower. One of my coilovers is/was frozen from turning. Had to remove and keep spraying it with PB blaster. 2 days later it finally freed!

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 02-02-2020 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLSP (Post 3296164)
That's unfortunate. I was actually kinda in the same boat for period of time too, but when I revised by damping settings with relation to my tire pressure and tire load index, it made a pretty significant difference in the ride and handling. So I've come to appreciate them now and realized it was me that didn't dial things in optimally.

What are your damping settings now? And what tire model, size, and pressures are you running?

On the topic of KW's, I previously owned a set of RCE (KW) Tarmac 0's with the optional Swift springs in the past. Going from memory, I don't know if I can say they were worth almost twice the price (for street and occasional autocross at least; don't have track experience with either set). I also didn't want to bother sending them back and forth down to the US for a rebuild when it came time for it, and they were a tad too stiff for me as a daily driver. But I'm sure KW V3 are more street-friendly.

Part of the reason why I went for the MeisterR's was the ability to just buy and replace the shocks when/if the time came, and just to experiment with my first-ever set of "cheap/entry-level" coilovers. So far, I am not disappointed after I dialed things in better.

Can’t remember. I tried full soft, full hard, middle, a couple clicks above/below middle. Making them stiffer helps with constant radius turn movement but then the ride is too harsh. Too soft and it’s keeps squirming side to side. I tried lowering the tire pressure to 34 psi and it did help a bit but then I’m losing that off the line acceleration. I ran 3 different tires and all 3 have issues, including the winter. The grippier the tire is, the worse the coils perform.

What’s your setup?

NLSP 02-03-2020 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh (Post 3296231)
Can’t remember. I tried full soft, full hard, middle, a couple clicks above/below middle. Making them stiffer helps with constant radius turn movement but then the ride is too harsh. Too soft and it’s keeps squirming side to side. I tried lowering the tire pressure to 34 psi and it did help a bit but then I’m losing that off the line acceleration. I ran 3 different tires and all 3 have issues, including the winter. The grippier the tire is, the worse the coils perform.

What’s your setup?

Currently 19 clicks away from full hard front & rear. Tire pressure set at 31psi front & rear on a tire with a 96XL load index.

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 02-03-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NLSP (Post 3296291)
Currently 19 clicks away from full hard front & rear. Tire pressure set at 31psi front & rear on a tire with a 96XL load index.

Yeah that’s way too low. With that kind of pressure the car feels sluggish.


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