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ZionsWrath 04-16-2016 06:39 AM

OEM battery not too bad?
 
I have completely abused this battery. It's been run flat probably more than 2 dozen times. Jump started or charged as many.

This is the original battery when I bought the car, 2012. So in a few weeks 4 years on.

Still jump starts fine and will hold enough charge to start for about a week.

Anyone else satisfied with the OEM battery? Seen a lot of negative things about it but from my experience it aint half bad.

JD001 04-16-2016 06:52 AM



I'm afraid I'm a battery abuser too. . Don't use my car much and I can't get a trickle charger to it so the battery runs down.

I use a Snooper jump starter to get it going and it's 2 years into its life.

Tcoat 04-16-2016 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2623993)
I have completely abused this battery. It's been run flat probably more than 2 dozen times. Jump started or charged as many.

This is the original battery when I bought the car, 2012. So in a few weeks 4 years on.

Still jump starts fine and will hold enough charge to start for about a week.

Anyone else satisfied with the OEM battery? Seen a lot of negative things about it but from my experience it aint half bad.

We had a discussion on batteries dying in a thread a couple of months back and I spent some time digging through here. What I found was that BRZs seem to have battery issues at about a 10 to 1 ratio over FRSs. Now, since the ratio of FRs to BRZs on here is also about 10 to 1 that really is a significant trend. Presuming that both cars have the same OEM battery and the only real difference is all the electronic goodies the BRZ has I can only conclude that one or more of those goodies is creating a parasitic draw that drains batteries faster than the FRS. Hardly scientific and I can not prove my theory but there it is.

Kimsey47 04-16-2016 11:29 AM

I was going to say that I have abused my battery too; however, I'm a BRZ driver... Car is driven once a week now after being a daily driver for the first few years of ownership that stopped in December. I guess we'll see how next winter goes but I know that I've had to jump it once and she still starts right up when I get in it now!

Ultramaroon 04-16-2016 02:45 PM

OEM battery is fine as long as electrolyte level is maintained. All the cells on mine cook off at about the same rate. I top it off with distilled water about twice a year.

Tcoat 04-17-2016 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2624205)
OEM battery is fine as long as electrolyte level is maintained. All the cells on mine cook off at about the same rate. I top it off with distilled water about twice a year.

Somebody drinking it? year and a half and have never had to add a drop.

aegisdrgn 04-17-2016 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2624648)
Somebody drinking it? year and a half and have never had to add a drop.

Shit, Tcoat's onto me!

Tcoat 04-17-2016 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by aegisdrgn (Post 2624669)
Shit, Tcoat's onto me!

Dude! That is not what they mean when they say "do acid".


http://mirgif.com/geometrija/tonnel10.gif

aegisdrgn 04-17-2016 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2624671)
Dude! That is not what they mean when they say "do acid".


http://mirgif.com/geometrija/tonnel10.gif

ooooo pretty...liiiiights....

http://i.imgur.com/WcIpAp7.gif

Ultramaroon 04-17-2016 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2624648)
Somebody drinking it? year and a half and have never had to add a drop.

Hmmm... must be variations in the voltage regulator. I bet my charge voltage is higher than yours.

aegisdrgn 04-17-2016 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2624694)
Hmmm... must be variations in the voltage regulator. I bet my charge voltage is higher than yours.

I see a ton of powder build up on the negative terminal - I cleaned it off and slathered the terminal and post with silicone paste, but it's back. I read it might be due to overcharging. Since that powder is copper sulfate, if the electrolyte level drops that means even if I add distilled water, I'll have to replace the battery sooner rather than later, right?

Pic back when I cleaned it 8 months ago:
http://i.imgur.com/W8JNwri.jpg

Ultramaroon 04-17-2016 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by aegisdrgn (Post 2624725)
I see a ton of powder build up on the negative terminal - I cleaned it off and slathered the terminal and post with silicone paste, but it's back. I read it might be due to overcharging. Since that powder is lead sulfate, if the electrolyte level drops that means even if I add distilled water, I'll have to replace the battery sooner rather than later, right?

The powder is due to electrolyte leeching through the compromised seal around the post. This is purely a mechanical failure. Once it starts, there's no stopping it. When you get a new battery, be sure to do everything you can to avoid tweaking the posts.

The level does not drop from that little bit leeching through the seals. It drops due to electrolysis - splitting the water molecule into atomic hydrogen and oxygen. The concentration of sulfuric acid increases as the water is lost, and decreases due to sulfation as lead sulfate builds up on the plates.

Distilled water can be added but once the plates start sulfating, that's pretty much the end of the road.

carbonBLUE 04-17-2016 09:40 AM

Yeah my battery was dead dead after about a year and a half, switch to duralast gold. I enjoy the better cranking power of a better battery anyways. The stock battery would struggle to start the car under certain conditions

babydriver 04-17-2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2624648)
Somebody drinking it? year and a half and have never had to add a drop.

Still tastes better than the rot gut gin at the liquor store.

cdrazic93 04-17-2016 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2624082)
Presuming that both cars have the same OEM battery and the only real difference is all the electronic goodies the BRZ has I can only conclude that one or more of those goodies is creating a parasitic draw that drains batteries faster than the FRS. Hardly scientific and I can not prove my theory but there it is.

Its the underglow everyone keeps installing.

cdrazic93 04-17-2016 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2624671)
Dude! That is not what they mean when they say "do acid".


http://mirgif.com/geometrija/tonnel10.gif

....sounds like youve done it before mr. Coat.

Packofcrows 04-17-2016 02:27 PM

2hr of music and mine dies. 1.5yrs old. POS

Pat.Thornton 04-18-2016 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cdrazic93 (Post 2624892)
....sounds like youve done it before mr. Coat.


And how would you know????

Lol


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riboyster 04-18-2016 11:54 PM

Just bought a new one last week. Original battery from 2013 model. Worked fine on cold start, was only getting hard to turn on heatsoak. I'd buy it again if not for the convenience of Costco

RichardsFRS 04-19-2016 08:05 AM

WOW you got four years out of a battery! Thats pretty damn good. I've not been able to get three years out of a battery. I just concluded they are all pos. The biggest problem I've seen with batteries over the decade is corosion. I've not noticed any in the FRS but I've only had it 5 months

Dadhawk 04-19-2016 08:19 AM

I'm at about the 4 year mark with mine as well, no issues, but I have averaged 48 miles per day since purchased (with most weekdays being around 90) so it stays pretty well charged. Also, I almost never run accessories with the engine off.

Admittedly, I hadn't checked mine in a while, guess I need to add that to my to-do list for this weekend.

Tcoat 04-19-2016 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2626719)
WOW you got four years out of a battery! Thats pretty damn good. I've not been able to get three years out of a battery. I just concluded they are all pos. The biggest problem I've seen with batteries over the decade is corosion. I've not noticed any in the FRS but I've only had it 5 months

In the reverse of this situation I have not had to replace a battery in a car in almost 20 years and have been impressed with how they have stayed corrosion free.

justatroll 04-19-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2623993)
I have completely abused this battery. It's been run flat probably more than 2 dozen times. Jump started or charged as many.

This is the original battery when I bought the car, 2012. So in a few weeks 4 years on.

Still jump starts fine and will hold enough charge to start for about a week.

Anyone else satisfied with the OEM battery? Seen a lot of negative things about it but from my experience it aint half bad.


Based on your description above it sounds like you DO HAVE a problem with your battery in the first place. Or you are just not too bright screwing up in a way that can cause you to "run flat probably more than 2 dozen times".


That's kind of like saying "The flame retardant in my racing suit works Great! IN the dozen times I have had to extinguish it while on fire, it went right out".

Cartman 04-19-2016 12:16 PM

Mine lasted 1.5 yrs... then it started leaking and fucked stuff up... replaced with a shorai lw battery, because racecar

nickmerronesucks 04-19-2016 12:32 PM

Mine lasted 4 months, then it started leaking everywhere, And i said hell no get that piece of crap out of there and then had to clean the tray and around the tray very thoroughly to ensure it didn't eat anything. And I installed a Die hard(worked at sears at the time), and i didnt expect this battery to last very long, but it sat for 5 months and through winter and I took the cover off and it started right up, didnt even crank slow.

Ultramaroon 04-19-2016 02:28 PM

Still on my factory battery. Strong as day-one.

ZionsWrath 04-19-2016 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justatroll (Post 2626828)
Based on your description above it sounds like you DO HAVE a problem with your battery in the first place. Or you are just not too bright screwing up in a way that can cause you to "run flat probably more than 2 dozen times".


That's kind of like saying "The flame retardant in my racing suit works Great! IN the dozen times I have had to extinguish it while on fire, it went right out".

?

My car sits a lot and the battery goes flat. :iono:

Not sure how the is similar to me being on fire multiple times. Flamer:flame::evil::evil:

justatroll 04-19-2016 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2627144)
?

My car sits a lot and the battery goes flat. :iono:

Not sure how the is similar to me being on fire multiple times. Flamer:flame::evil::evil:

I'm not sure that having a battery that survives going flat a lot means it is a good battery.

I'll try a different analogy:


"Those run flats are the best tire I've ever had! The two dozen times I have had a flat, the sidewalls held up just fine!"

Ultramaroon 04-19-2016 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2627144)
?

My car sits a lot and the battery goes flat. :iono:

If that's the case, get a good tender and keep it plugged in. You will have problems with any brand because lead-acid self-discharges and the plates sulfate. Either DD, or keep it floated.

JD001 06-01-2016 12:49 PM

The inevitable has happened, I managed to kill my battery, just 4500 miles under its terminals! Subaru has exchanged it under warranty. The replacement is a Varta sealed unit.. I have also invested in a quick terminal release widget as I don't use the car much, planning to disconnect the battery in such cases.

Ultramaroon 06-01-2016 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2667814)
The inevitable has happened, I managed to kill my battery, just 4500 miles under its terminals! Subaru has exchanged it under warranty. The replacement is a Varta sealed unit.. I have also invested in a quick terminal release widget as I don't use the car much, planning to disconnect the battery in such cases.

If it sits, no matter what the brand, get a tender on it.

gramicci101 06-01-2016 02:55 PM

I can very much recommend the Battery Tender Junior. I left my car on this for 6 months while I was deployed. My only preparations for long term sitting were this battery tender and some Sta-bil in the gas tank. The car started up immediately when I returned.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CITK8S/

JD001 06-01-2016 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2667954)
If it sits, no matter what the brand, get a tender on it.

I can't get power to a battery tender. Has anyone used solar panels and if so can they be connected from inside the car?

Ultramaroon 06-01-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2667978)
I can't get power to a battery tender. Has anyone used solar panels and if so can they be connected from inside the car?

Would have to find a connection to the unswitched +12V rail. I don't have any experience with panels but am curious.

JD001 06-01-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2668014)
Would have to find a connection to the unswitched +12V rail. I don't have any experience with panels but am curious.

I have wondered if the cigarette lighter socket works as a route for a trickle charger....

Dadhawk 06-01-2016 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2668024)
I have wondered if the cigarette lighter socket works as a route for a trickle charger....

That would work only if the socket were active with the key turned off. Honestly never tried it to see.

JD001 06-01-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2668041)
That would work only if the socket were active with the key turned off. Honestly never tried it to see.

I think it is described as a power socket by Subaru.

Ultramaroon 06-01-2016 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JD001 (Post 2668047)
I think it is described as a power socket by Subaru.

It dies when the key is in the off position. Not sure about the one in the glove box.

GeorgeJFrick 06-01-2016 05:53 PM

As mentioned by @Tcoat we've had threads about this. I'm on my third battery, all covered under warranty. I admit the third may have been my fault though; but they still covered it so I give Subaru credit.

Zed 06-01-2016 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2668145)
It dies when the key is in the off position. Not sure about the one in the glove box.

I think the glove box lighter is the same. turns off when car is off.


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