Toyota Discusses FT-86 II Concept Design Factors/Reasons
 

Autocar interview with Akihiro Nagaya, the manager of Toyota’s design division:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/255775/

F*#k there putting some serious effort into this car... I cant wait... I hope as much as others will disagree/hate that this car comes in around the $30k US mark and not the low $20k... I dont want them skimping out on anything..... Just seems this car is getting better and better......

"The FT-86 II’s restyle keeps the original concept’s basic silhouette but lifts the nose, a move forced by pedestrian impact regulations."

That's BS. Screw the pedestrian impact regulations.

I'm sorry the whole thing I got from that article is that the photoes (ie the ppl in the background) look remarkably similar to hachirokus..
And the thing that stuck out the most was the last bit about the differences between the Toyota and subaru versions ;) it's what iv been saying from day one. Badge engineering ppl: lights change which slightly changes the hood/bumper/fender :p

Stop spreading mis-information.

if only they could.

Great bit of info, thanks for the post.

Mr. Nagaya, I get the changes. However, that doesn't explain the rear. Put back the original tail end from concept 1, rework the front fenders (more like concept 1, and get rid of those ugly vents) and IMHO, that'd be perfect thanks.

^ hope is not mis-imformation... Wash out your sandy vagina.....

Don't worry, you didn't say anything wrong. You said you HOPE, not stating it WOULD be in the $30k's. I agree with you. A $30k car would ensure the interior is classy as well. You spent most of your time in the car, not outside looking at it (well, some may beg to differ lol), but I personally need a nice interior.

Anyhow, great article. Hoping for a few more changes (rear bumper especially), so let's see what happens!

Its not matadors fault. He has been waiting for his FT-86 almost as long as me and is a bit on edge.... Cutting yourself and taking ur frustration out on the keyboard is not the answer Matador... (^.^)

If it's around the 30k mark it better come with a 2.0T Boxer/Sport pkg and a nice interior with soft touch plastics galore and aluminum trim with nice leather. It's not like this car is based of a new platform and a totally new engine to warrant a 30k+ tag. It will come with Mac struts and the rear suspension that other Subaru's have I bet. The only thing that will probably be different to me would be the loss of AWD, a shortened Impreza platform, a revised boxer engine, and a way better looking interior and exterior when compared with a Subaru. But this is my opinion.

Well in 9 months we will find out?........

where did you get 30k from?

The air... I want the ft-86 to be competing with the 370z market......

but you just said you hope its not going to be up in the 30k

2.0L about 200hp weight less than 3000lb to compete with 3.7L 322hp 3300lb-ish? it would be better for you to make a custom order from Toyota.

Suck my b@lls
haha

There is something called the aftermarket for people like you. Leave my affordable back to basics sportscar alone. Toyota will provide you with a great low 20k platform for you to build upon.

Seriously, are you just randomly saying ****? I think you should stop being influenced by Initial-D.
FT-86 and the Z are in different leagues. If Toyota wants to compete with VQ engine powered car, they need something more serious than Boxer. Not saying boxer is not good, but VQ series is in the class of its own.

Nagaya said the Geneva car was “a fair indication” of how the final production model could look when it arrives at the Tokyo show in December. “You could say it’s around 50 per cent there,” he said, “although that could be as high as 70 per cent.”


^That's exactly what I didn't like about the FT-86 II! The back is way too busy, the side vents look like Nopi/Walmart/Autozone garbage, lose the squared off the fenders and bring it down a tad!


Not going to happen! 332hp, 3.7L V6, 30K-39K is completely off from where Toyota wants to mark the FT86!

:word:

yeah seriously why is there this sudden expectation that this car needs to be a new supra when toyota has repeatedly stated that this is not? if you want a new supra keep waiting and hoping, this is not it.

:suicide:Dude its just me ranting on about wat i personally want.. Just like u and just about everyone else on here does... And saying random ****... There is some seriously more random **** being said elsewhere on this forum.... But i dont mean to be adding to it with **** like this.... I certainly didnt mean high 30k mark... But with not to much aftermarket modifications being able to compete with the 370z anyway..

Its F**ken hard to talk prices anyway seeings most talk in US $$$
Ill be happy/hoping its in the $45-$55k AUS! range here wateva that works out to in US with tax etc.. I 'think' the 370z here are from $58-$68k AUS $$$ price range over here....

then why don't you just get a 370z mate! :happy0180:

yes but some rants are actually within the realm of possibility within the idea of this concept. a 30k usd car with 300 hp is not what this concept is. ever since 2009 they have been saying they are aiming for 20k usd, affordable, 2 liters, etc etc.

Get rid of the tacky bits, change the rear end back, and make the tall ped reg fenders easily replaceable with lower aftermarket ones and I'll be happy.

I'm hoping the tallness in the fenders is the fenders themselves, not the chassis.

True that. If Toyota focus more on performance, you would see 3JZ in it, not Boxer 4. It's good tho when they want to toy with the market to see if the car will sell. Supra successor will be just another awesome car to be born if FT-86 is successful.

ANYWAYS........

the back definately needs to be cleaned up a bit, maybe thats where the 30 or 50 percent is left.. or 25-45 to remove the front led's =D

And restyle the tail back to its original form and remove all the carbon parts. That should be the production car.

Edit: Replace carbon parts with cheapie plastic.

What would a 20k USD car be priced as in AUS $$$ ???

how the crap should i know lol:iono:
how much does the cheapest, base price camry cost in aus?

Whats the excuse for the G35 rear end and hideous fender 'flat spots'?

I agree. I love the VQ!!! When I first test drove a 06 G35 and a 03 350Z I was impressed, felt almost like a V8 with terrific handling.

I agree with this Dark. They could use the same platform and stretch it for the Supra and then add Subaru's flat 6 with D/I and a twin turbo for the pricier(turbo) model. They could also use the brakes the STi have for the sport package with a curb weight around 3150-3250 lbs and a starting price around 29-31k for a N/A 300 hp Supra and a TT model for 37k with 450 hp. I would go for the N/A in this case as 300 hp in a 3200 lb coupe is fun as hell.

It would make a good 911 fighter.

@Dark,

First thing first, I know you're not insulting Boxer engine... but keep jabbing like that, my left hook gonna hitcha! :bellyroll:

I do agree w H6 engine... BUT no, please no! No on twin turbo boxer engine. It never was a great (Subie already did before on Legacy H4 engine). Even Yamaha or Toyota help to make it TT, it'll be waste of research. Why do you think even Porsche won't go there. Porsche have been using H6 engine for forever and iirc they only did it once to 993 and went back to single turbo.

Thanks for the info on that but it's nice to know Toyota have the right resources to make a Supra without having to add a whole lot more R&D. They(Subiota) got the platform,suspension and engines for the task.

umm, Porsche uses twin turbos on all their new turbo models. they were single turbo when they first came out, then switched to twins and have been that way since.

...but sadly won't be seeing any "Supra" name plate gonna come out anytime soon. I just HOPE & PRAY that, this car (FT86) will be in my price rang (early $20k to mid $20k) w 180~200hp. Power can be made later... but design & lightweight can't.

LOL no worry.
The thing about H6 is, it would cost Toyota too much in development. I don't think it's going to happen, or at least not any time sooner. Porsche is a beast with H6, but the price is sky rocketed. It's not only because of the brand image (if it was, they wouldn't have made Cayenne to cover the fixed cost), but the development of H6 itself.
And I totally agree that Boxer engine doesn't need a TT. It would be overkill.

you replace the seats with plastic chairs, and remove the back seat and spare tire. LOL

It can't fit 4 people, that's why I've been waiting on the FT86.

There is something called G37.