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cyde01 03-09-2011 03:06 PM
how the crap should i know lol:iono:
how much does the cheapest, base price camry cost in aus?

c0rbin 03-09-2011 03:15 PM
Whats the excuse for the G35 rear end and hideous fender 'flat spots'?

SUB-FT86 03-09-2011 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 28947)
Seriously, are you just randomly saying ****? I think you should stop being influenced by Initial-D.
FT-86 and the Z are in different leagues. If Toyota wants to compete with VQ engine powered car, they need something more serious than Boxer. Not saying boxer is not good, but VQ series is in the class of its own.
I agree. I love the VQ!!! When I first test drove a 06 G35 and a 03 350Z I was impressed, felt almost like a V8 with terrific handling.

SUB-FT86 03-09-2011 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 28960)
True that. If Toyota focus more on performance, you would see 3JZ in it, not Boxer 4. It's good tho when they want to toy with the market to see if the car will sell. Supra successor will be just another awesome car to be born if FT-86 is successful.

I agree with this Dark. They could use the same platform and stretch it for the Supra and then add Subaru's flat 6 with D/I and a twin turbo for the pricier(turbo) model. They could also use the brakes the STi have for the sport package with a curb weight around 3150-3250 lbs and a starting price around 29-31k for a N/A 300 hp Supra and a TT model for 37k with 450 hp. I would go for the N/A in this case as 300 hp in a 3200 lb coupe is fun as hell.

It would make a good 911 fighter.

ichitaka05 03-09-2011 03:39 PM
@Dark,

First thing first, I know you're not insulting Boxer engine... but keep jabbing like that, my left hook gonna hitcha! :bellyroll:

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 28976)
I agree with this Dark. They could use the same platform and stretch it for the Supra and then add Subaru's flat 6 with D/I and a twin turbo for the pricier(turbo) model. They could also use the brakes the STi have for the sport package with a curb weight around 3150-3250 lbs and a starting price around 29-31k for a N/A 300 hp Supra and a TT model for 37k with 450 hp. I would go for the N/A in this case as 300 hp in a 3200 lb coupe is fun as hell.

It would make a good 911 fighter.
I do agree w H6 engine... BUT no, please no! No on twin turbo boxer engine. It never was a great (Subie already did before on Legacy H4 engine). Even Yamaha or Toyota help to make it TT, it'll be waste of research. Why do you think even Porsche won't go there. Porsche have been using H6 engine for forever and iirc they only did it once to 993 and went back to single turbo.

SUB-FT86 03-09-2011 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28979)
@Dark,

First thing first, I know you're not insulting Boxer engine... but keep jabbing like that, my left hook gonna hitcha! :bellyroll:



I do agree w H6 engine... BUT no, please no! No on twin turbo boxer engine. It never was a great (Subie already did before on Legacy H4 engine). Even Yamaha or Toyota help to make it TT, it'll be waste of research. Why do you think even Porsche won't go there. Porsche have been using H6 engine for forever and iirc they only did it once to 993 and went back to single turbo.
Thanks for the info on that but it's nice to know Toyota have the right resources to make a Supra without having to add a whole lot more R&D. They(Subiota) got the platform,suspension and engines for the task.

NESW20 03-09-2011 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28979)
I do agree w H6 engine... BUT no, please no! No on twin turbo boxer engine. It never was a great (Subie already did before on Legacy H4 engine). Even Yamaha or Toyota help to make it TT, it'll be waste of research. Why do you think even Porsche won't go there. Porsche have been using H6 engine for forever and iirc they only did it once to 993 and went back to single turbo.
umm, Porsche uses twin turbos on all their new turbo models. they were single turbo when they first came out, then switched to twins and have been that way since.

ichitaka05 03-09-2011 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 28981)
Thanks for the info on that but it's nice to know Toyota have the right resources to make a Supra without having to add a whole lot more R&D. They(Subiota) got the platform,suspension and engines for the task.
...but sadly won't be seeing any "Supra" name plate gonna come out anytime soon. I just HOPE & PRAY that, this car (FT86) will be in my price rang (early $20k to mid $20k) w 180~200hp. Power can be made later... but design & lightweight can't.

Dark 03-09-2011 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28979)
@Dark,

First thing first, I know you're not insulting Boxer engine... but keep jabbing like that, my left hook gonna hitcha! :bellyroll:
LOL no worry.
The thing about H6 is, it would cost Toyota too much in development. I don't think it's going to happen, or at least not any time sooner. Porsche is a beast with H6, but the price is sky rocketed. It's not only because of the brand image (if it was, they wouldn't have made Cayenne to cover the fixed cost), but the development of H6 itself.
And I totally agree that Boxer engine doesn't need a TT. It would be overkill.

Dark 03-09-2011 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 28985)
...but sadly won't be seeing any "Supra" name plate gonna come out anytime soon. I just HOPE & PRAY that, this car (FT86) will be in my price rang (early $20k to mid $20k) w 180~200hp. Power can be made later... but design & lightweight can't.
you replace the seats with plastic chairs, and remove the back seat and spare tire. LOL

iff2mastamatt 03-09-2011 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 28954)
then why don't you just get a 370z mate! :happy0180:
It can't fit 4 people, that's why I've been waiting on the FT86.

Dark 03-09-2011 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt (Post 28997)
It can't fit 4 people, that's why I've been waiting on the FT86.
There is something called G37.

iff2mastamatt 03-09-2011 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 28998)
There is something called G37.
For under $30k? Otherwise I'd get a GT-R :burnrubber:

ichitaka05 03-09-2011 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark (Post 28994)
you replace the seats with plastic chairs, and remove the back seat and spare tire. LOL
those minor thing can be done to any car. I'm talking about actual chassis weight. :)


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