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Hyper4mance2k 02-10-2016 07:12 PM

Stronger Clutch for Stock Flywheel
 
Hey all,

I'm looking for an upgraded clutch that mates to the stock flywheel. I don't want an aftermarket kit for many reasons. If you must know my reasons they are as follows: Many manufacturers make kits for our car that use a redesigned flywheel with clutches that only work on their flywheel. They do this because it ties you into their brand for replacements, and the flywheels are ridiculously cheap to manufacture. They save a ton of costs here using parts bin pressure plate parts retrofitted to flywheel blanks manufactured to their specs. Basically you end up with a hodge-podge of parts that "work." This is not to say that hundreds of hours aren't spent engineering the kits, but as we all know engineering doesn't always work out in application. I have this on good authority. It is your prerogative to believe me or not, but I don't want to have a conversation about that in this thread. Disclaimer: it is only an opinion that this is the primary reason so many people have after market clutch disengagement issues.

From all my searches, I have only found the STI and TRD clutches.
Am I wrong? Are there others?

Opinions and reviews of your clutch kit that mates to the stock flywheel are welcome. There are plenty reviews of other kits that include flywheels, those reviews are not needed in this thread.

#maverick# 02-10-2016 08:02 PM

I am sure any clutch compatible with a dual mass flywheel that the frs has will, however the flywheel will still have to be resurfaced by a machine shop, its a little more complicated than resurfacing a brake rotor. Not sure what that would cost

Hyper4mance2k 02-10-2016 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #maverick# (Post 2543303)
I am sure any clutch compatible with a dual mass flywheel that the frs has will, however the flywheel will still have to be resurfaced by a machine shop, its a little more complicated than resurfacing a brake rotor. Not sure what that would cost

Our flywheel is not dual mass. I hate dual mass flywheels... My B5A4 couldn't keep them together.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...59057910_o.jpg

Dual mass flywheels are internally sprung, and generally use solid clutch discs. Our discs are sprung.
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...36824988_o.jpg

If it's a dual mass, I've never seen one that looks anything like ours do.
EG: Audi Dual mass
http://www.s2central.net/images/dm480.jpg
VW dual mass
https://c1552172.ssl.cf0.rackcdn.com/129575_x800.jpg

Bonburner 02-10-2016 11:59 PM

i figured i'd get a stage 1/2 exedy next .. since exedy makes our stock clutches .. lol

Hyper4mance2k 02-11-2016 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonburner (Post 2543504)
i figured i'd get a stage 1/2 exedy next .. since exedy makes our stock clutches .. lol

They do, but both the stage 1 & 2 replace the factory flywheel. Exedy is an OEM and makes the stock clutches for most Japanese cars.
You should read some of the reviews on this forum, before you buy any part.

Packofcrows 02-11-2016 12:35 AM

can you link me to TRD clutch (part # please)? Also, for small clarifications, the TRD clutch is plug and play with our flywheel and tranny right?

CSG Mike 02-11-2016 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k (Post 2543255)
Hey all,

I'm looking for an upgraded clutch that mates to the stock flywheel. I don't want an aftermarket kit for many reasons. If you must know my reasons they are as follows: Many manufacturers make kits for our car that use a redesigned flywheel with clutches that only work on their flywheel. They do this because it ties you into their brand for replacements, and the flywheels are ridiculously cheap to manufacture. They save a ton of costs here using parts bin pressure plate parts retrofitted to flywheel blanks manufactured to their specs. Basically you end up with a hodge-podge of parts that "work." This is not to say that hundreds of hours aren't spent engineering the kits, but as we all know engineering doesn't always work out in application. I have this on good authority. It is your prerogative to believe me or not, but I don't want to have a conversation about that in this thread. Disclaimer: it is only an opinion that this is the primary reason so many people have after market clutch disengagement issues.

From all my searches, I have only found the STI and TRD clutches.
Am I wrong? Are there others?

Opinions and reviews of your clutch kit that mates to the stock flywheel are welcome. There are plenty reviews of other kits that include flywheels, those reviews are not needed in this thread.

While that may be true of some manufacturers, I can assure you that's not the case for the ACT for this platform (retrofitted/cross-platform parts). You are indeed correct that you'd be tied to ACT for replacement parts, as the setup is a full conversion.

You're welcome to drop by and feel the clutch for yourself on the shop car, before making a decision.

Hyper4mance2k 02-11-2016 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2543533)
can you link me to TRD clutch (part # please)? Also, for small clarifications, the TRD clutch is plug and play with our flywheel and tranny right?

TuRD:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/pictu...pictureid=9419
Everything TRD Japan is here: http://www.trdparts.jp/english/86_pe...ine/index.html
hand holding link: http://www.trdparts.jp/english/86_pe...owertrain.html

Sexually Transmitted Infection:
https://www.japanparts.com/parts/detail/44273
https://www.japanparts.com/images/re...&sx=458&sy=351

RallySTI 02-16-2016 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k (Post 2543511)
They do, but both the stage 1 & 2 replace the factory flywheel. Exedy is an OEM and makes the stock clutches for most Japanese cars.
You should read some of the reviews on this forum, before you buy any part.

Those part numbers have been discontinued for over a year.

The EXEDY 15806 (stage 1) and 15955 (stage 2) are designed for the OEM flywheel.

You can bet the TRD clutch is made by EXEDY as well. You can almost make out the EXEDY logo on the TRD discs.

Hyper4mance2k 02-16-2016 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RallySTI (Post 2550096)
Those part numbers have been discontinued for over a year.

The EXEDY 15806 (stage 1) and 15955 (stage 2) are designed for the OEM flywheel.

You can bet the TRD clutch is made by EXEDY as well. You can almost make out the EXEDY logo on the TRD discs.

Interesting... this is exactly the type of Information I am looking for.

RallySTI 02-16-2016 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyper4mance2k (Post 2550146)
Interesting... this is exactly the type of Information I am looking for.

Not a problem. I work for EXEDY USA in the the technical department so any more questions feel free to ask.


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