*worse

Best comment so far right there!^^^

They already make the parts to badge all of the cars as a Toyota for all of the Scion line. Ordering a few extra Toyota emblems and nameplates (that they already have in production) instead of the Scion ones is a very small change indeed.

iM is already built as the Toyota Auris at the same factory.
FR-S is already built as the Toyota 86 at the same factory.
iA is already built as the Toyota Yaris at the same factory.

It's literally zero extra parts to develop to do this change, all you need to do is stop making a few emblems at the factories.

I would bet that this was in talks for a relatively extended period but that the final decision happened recently.

Jeff

This is exactly what I'm waiting for as well. If this becomes a reality I will be loading up on GT-S trim level parts.

Trims would be nice.


Only thing i'd like to look forward is for about 10db less in noise at highway speed, better mpg (bump to 34 for manual in hwy), better sound system and more pvc/leather in seats. I like Alcantara but i feel limited somehow....


I'm against a 'performance' edition. They should all be bumped 25hp-50 and no more, or nothing at all.

aware

The only "trim" I wish I got were OEM Xenons/HIDs. I was not about to buy the Tom Selleck version (or Monogram/S1) just for OEM Xenons and other add-on doo-dads that I didn't care about.

We have debated this before but to say more would have been sold based on higher power is just a bias of the higher power guys with nothing to substantiate the theory.


For everybody that didn't buy one but may have if it had more HP there is probably at least one person that bought it that would not have because it scared the crap out of them.


So as far as that goes we can probably just call it a wash for the two groups.


Now... having said that if they had offered an "normal" one for the average Joe and a higher powered version for the guys that want to kill 'Stangs then they may have sold more but I don't think that number would be as big as some say.

These things can be counter intuitive there Pack. You add weight you reduce mileage. Of course they could do other things to increase mileage but then you give up something else. It is a viscous circle sometimes.

The people who cry about not having "enough" power are the ones who don't know why the toyobaruion was created and sold in the first place. If you added more power from the factory, it would have dropped it into the segment that costs a lot more. Then you have the same people bitching about how expensive it is instead.

I don't honestly think they could have supported two versions. Maybe, judging by the series.blue and release series, but a factory FI version...doubtful.


With what engines Subaru has available, what power bump the "new" model will get won't be big. It isn't like they can do anything unless it is drastic to get some real power. Maybe it is a wash, but at least it would make "more" people happy?

When they were originally announcing the car in the 20-22K range 200 HP was awesome. Now that they're 26-27+, lets be real....

Mmm sticky

Haven't read the whole thread to see if anyone else had mentioned this, but you do make an important point here. That is that the rest of Scion's lineup also fills important gaps in Toyota's own lineup with equivalent or better cars than are currently available.

• The FR-S is easily the best lightweight 2+2 in the market (it's also the only one.) There are no viable RWD compact sports cars to be had under $50k and the only 2+2 is the Lotus Evora 400.
• The iA is easily the best subcompact sedan in the market and has high volume potential (especially in the rental market). Sold as a Toyota, this could be a huge hit. I mean would you choose a Chevy Sonic or iA at the rental counter, really?
• The iM/Auris bests or equals most base 5 door hatchbacks in the market that Toyota had no product in the US to fill. It's essentially a better equipped Matrix at the same price.

From a North American Toyota executive's perspective, I would be drooling to get all of these cars all in one year. As a dealer same thing. To be a fly on the wall in some of these steering committee meetings would have been very interesting.

When they were announcing? That was what? 6 years ago? Let's be real......

Well it's been confirmed at my work. GM told us that Toyota will keep Im ia Frs. By end of this year

Well, for those of you that were worried about names, this just came across on Motortrend. Preparing for flames in 3...2...1...

NO NAME CHANGES PLANNED

That said, they do say "GT86" will be tested to see how the market likes it.

Yup, inflation is a b*tch.

Yeah, like quoted....originally. They missed the price mark... then the power criticism came after that. You didn't see anyone upset about power when it was a "cheap" car.


It wasn't even an inflation issue... they were aiming low and announcing that and then they missed it.

More people here may be happy. More people in general still a wash.

What?

How can one use the "originally" comment when it was announced 6 years ago to a comparison of today's prices? Do you not know what inflation is?

If you did, the 25-27k mark is pretty spot on to that price level given inflation...

Yep. <==That's "me" standing on the deck of the U.S.S Constitution in my full T-60 armor. Fallout and Elder Scrolls series have always been a huge timesuck for me. I'm level 53 and haven't even gotten through the "First Act" of the primary quest.

No. When they said they were aiming at a 20K pricepoint in 2012 and the car came out in 2013 that would not account for inflation. Obviously inflation and new mandatory features etc account for current pricing and pricing even then.


Simply put, when people thought they were getting a dream car at 20K nobody blinked at 200 HP. When they saw the actual tag, that's when you saw people saying they should get more.

16 pages in one day. Proud of you guys :clap:

isn't Longo on the dealer blacklist for ridiculous markups?


correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they the ones who marked up an FR-S for 32 grand back when the car was first released?

Same here Level 55 as of yesterday and halfway through the 2nd act lol. :party0030:

Ok, if using what you're saying as a fact/truth, what other 2-door (either 2 seat or 2+2 or even roadster) RWD is sub 3000lbs and "driver" oriented for the same price or cheaper that is "more" powerful [brand new]?

Answer me that.

Who do I talk to to put in my vote for GT86?

There was never an official announcement for say. All I recall are interviews were Toyota officials hinted at a low 20s starting price range. So it depends on what your views of low 20s is. 21, 22, or 23k? Back in 2012 the MSRP was $24,500. IMO the price wasn't too much of a miss. Like I said before, inflation is a b*tch.

fucking LOL at all the speculation in this thread.

inb4 it's a forum that's what it's for

Sell me your GT86 badge! lol

Toyota Japan Corporate :lol:

All this over a badge lol

There isn't. Thats a good reason why a lot of us are in these. Doesnt mean there arent other options for the price, lol.

Kind of. Just the death of a failing ad on to a company

There are acts? There is a main mission?
Level 32 T-60D armour with a T-45A right arm. I have no idea where I lost the sonofabitch!

I'm aware of that, I was just throwing in a hypothetical situation that although very small in size(change wise) would still affect Toyota's backend quite a bit.

What?

how are there options for the price if I JUST literally ask what other options there are and you said none?

why are you trying to compare apples to oranges?

fixed and you get no pass because you're not French :P

Check your companion...those sneaky bastards:lol: