So, I find it kind of cool that I'll have one of the Scions. I don't think it will ever explode in value, but it will be rarer.

Something I noticed while reading through the pages was that, where some half joked that the price might one day go up, a few people jumped with some seriousness to say, and I quote "Forget about it." The pattern? They were all BRZ owners.



I think they jealous. :)

BRZ people are definately jealous. They want to be part of the drama as well

At this point, I'm going to accept that the facelift for the MY 2017 is actually happening. I'm sure Toyota of North America wants to distance themselves from the Scion brand with a new look rather than just applying a Toyota badge on an existing FRS.

I'm seeing $26,190 including destination for the base BRZ. It does not appear you can get an automatic base model BRZ per Subaru's website. Keep in mind you get much better headlights on the BRZ stock.

The FR-S Manual which is strangely not the default is showing $26,100 for a 2016 which does include the destination charge it looks like.

I was wrong, the BRZ is $90 more expensive. Everyone should buy the FR-S since it will save you money.

Good thing they got that softer suspension to help with the butthurt. XD

:laughabove:

My question is, how will this effect Scion warranties?

Will Toyota take them over starting this year?

Normally, I agree, but you have to wonder, given they are not discontinuing the cars but basically slapping an already existing logo on them on a production line that already uses the logo, if it couldn't have been a relatively "snap" decision? Yes, you eat a little bit of costs for the change but not as much as dropping an entire product from production. The tC was already being phased out (as it said in the release) so really not much is changing here.

The cars are still built (with a logo change) in the same factory, shipped to the same locations, and sold by the same people. Very minimal change.

EVERYBODY PUT YOUR SCION BADGES BACK ON! WERE GOING TO BE RARE!

No change, press release said so, and it was serviced by Toyota anyway.

Highly doubtful, the 86 sales are on a downward trend and will continue to decline, they will never sell as well as they did in 2013 without a radical redesign, upgrade, or massive price cut, and this upcoming 'refresh' is highly unlikely to be anything of significant value other than bumpers and a 'yota badge and maybe some fluff I don't give two fucks about. We might see a spike up to ~15k units in 2017/18 if the refresh is delivered by then and then another continual decline for another 4 years (therefore fewer units with 'Yota badges running around the Americas) and then it will be announced whether there will be a 2nd gen or if it's dead.

Just like every other RWD Japanese "sports car" in the last 20 years. Hell the North American Yota 86 could be fugly and sell even fewer units making Scion the common one and the Yota the rare one with the same performance.

I love how everyone on FB thinks there car is going to be rare now that Scion doesn't exist. Between June 2012 and Dec 2014 over 43000 FRS's were sold lol. I'm willing to bet the FRS will still be called the FRS just with a T badge now.

Will my FR-S badges give it a Scion tax of like $2000? So if my 23k FR-S is worth only 20k, with the Scion badges it's up to $22k?


So the AE86 gets the Initial D tax, we get the Scion tax? haha



IMHO with the Toyota badges, sells will go up!

You know what would sell more 86 vehicles?






..........power.

This looks like it will coincide with the 2017 facelift model.

http://s2.paultan.org/image/2015/09/...31-630x308.jpg

Maybe its a hint at the FRS 2.0 version! Maybe a little bigger engine or more significant performance updates in the works?

+1

Honestly, it'll depend on what Toyota plans to do with the FR-S. If they finally give her a name, add some more power, and do a kouki update that'll give this car some substance later on down the road.

Make the final production year a little more special and it'll be a classic 10-15 yrs down the road. However, having the Subaru association and not a true Toyota, it'll be a classic but not a legend.

Just picked it up today ;) http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...40136757de.jpg

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Between 1970 and 1973/4, there were over 140k Datsun 240z cars brought into America, and while they are not super rare, say like a real Shelby Cobra, they are becoming pretty rare.
43,000? I'll take it.

Just the logo stamp change on a single part could potentially void a contract(depending on the terms) or increase costs significantly or increase production time/backorder

And will also make it more expensive, probably by a large margin.

I would like for Toyota to keep the current exterior look which I love with performance upgrades. Sadly, I doubt this will happen.

Power isn't free

Time to rebadge McLaren or Aston Martin?

http://astonmartin.blob.core.windows...go3_1971hr.jpg


LOL

That argument is getting old. Fact is, that's a big reason why the car wasn't a huge hit in the states.

But none of that would need to change. My "Scion" has more Subaru stamps on it than it does Toyota or Scion. I'm literally just talking about the Scion badges on the car. They are already a mix of Subaru/Toyota/Scion stamped parts and such so all that could play out as is.

Quick, someone start working on a cartoon set in the future with 86's against future sports cars with todays ridiculous hybrid powertrains.

But it's still true. I agree that more power would have helped, but I question (because of the age of frs owners) how many sale they would have lost compared to what they would have gained. In some ways, in amaerica, the people who want RWD and power consider only two options. One is a horse, and the other wears a bow tie.

I don't think we can know for sure how much better it would have worked out. They won have ended up competing for buyers of the 370z, stolen some genesis buyers, and taken more v6 mustant/Camara buyers maybe.
I do think they might have had better sales, I just don't know by how much, and if it's as big as many seem to think it would have been.

If the car was 5,000 more, I personally could not have afforded it.

Toyota to scrap Scion brand, but FR-S will become a Toyota!
 

Production capacity and the fact it is a world car has a lot to do with why it is a 2.0L making 200hp. What would boost sales in the US doesn't necessarily work with the ROW.


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I was think the same thing.

Whoops, overread that. And I kinda figured they were covered by Toyota anyway.

Thanks

It already cost more than what they originally aimed at and it has ballooned up since then. I would argue about what people consider, as there is a wide range of available RWD vehicles with power right now. I know of a few potential buyers that turned away after a test drive. I know I did on my first test drive.

While it might not be as big a deal as it is here, it has been a "normal" observation the world round noting the cars power.

Anyone know what will happen to the value of our FRSs?:scared0016:

Because that's what 'merica cares about.

It may depend on what will happen with the face lift 86. Will it look better or worst? Will it have a small power bumper? Will it have any interior upgrades and new tech? Will the price go up? I think its too early to tell.

i can see you are all about that Fallout life now.

About time. I haven't stopped smiling since I read this. Now, we wait and see if they simply swap the badges or actually give us the trim levels some of us have been kicking and screaming for. GT86 Limited and don't skimp on the currently missing items (seen here) for me please. As well as including the bare bones base and everything in between as options for those who want them. Otherwise it's not much of a victory.

All I'm saying is, do it right Toyota. Please. You've made us wait and suffer long enough, do it right.

Or with winged lions!