At least you didn't make a new thread about it.

Haha. I haven't been on in a few months since starting school.

Got rid of my 2013 hot lava and got a 2015 hot lava.

Then got rid of that for a 2015 tC for the commute. I miss you guys.

Does anyone else think that Toyota might have to take a serious look improving overall quality and reliability of the FR-S specifically because it will now fall under the Toyota brand?

The FR-S is now up to par reliability wise. The first year was all the teething issues. I think the refresh will bring some fixes for the Subaru-acceptable items, though (dash rattles, for example). I could see a fight brewing in the planning department over noisy high pressure fuel pumps, too.


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It's always been under the Toyota brand in other parts of the world and it still had the same issues we had here in the states. Besides, even if Scion hadn't been axed, Toyota would have still prided themselves with overall quality and reliability with the Scion models just as they have with their own lineup.

The 2017 refresh will fix lots of problems but also could bring issues of it's own.

2017 FR-S= GeoFRS

And you know this how? And what problems specifically?

Experience...

But I will restate the first part. "The 2017 refresh might possibly theoretically guessingly supposibly maybe might fix some maybe none maybe 10 1st gen issues.

Thank you. It's just your non-professional opinion. That's cool and I appreciate you being honest about it. Too many people on this forum are quick to make an opinion a statement based on ZERO facts. I thought maybe you knew something the rest of us didn't.

Just my opinion and experience with cars. Lots of opinions yes, some have no facts hence they are a guess like most of us do at some point :P

Scion is offering 1.9% on new sales now. I contacted my Toyota sales rep today to get in touch when he has details. Wouldn't be surprised if Toyota releases details at the 3/3-13 Geneva Auto Show. I'm planning to replace the '13 FRS I sold 2 years ago. Used prices are attractive, and generally fall when significant model refreshes are introduced. How much they fall will depend in part on the extent of the refresh and how the market perceives the value of those changes. I don't think the passing of the Scion brand is going to help the Scion FRS resale value, as it has never been well respected by gearheads or sports car enthusiasts. If I were seriously considering selling a current FRS, I'd do it sooner than later, though resale price drops should't be too drastic due to the fact that it's not an expensive car to begin with. Toyota will see a decrease in overhead costs, and the fact that it has gotten even more expensive to do business in the US recently may have been a contributing factor in eliminating the Scion brand overhead.. I'd like to think some of that savings may benefit consumers, but as a business owner, I'm afraid most of it will go to cover increased federal regulation and taxation. As for me, I have been driving Toyotas for 36 years, and would have preferred the car as a Toyota when I bought my '13. I will see what the 2017 refresh has to offer once details are announced, then decide if I will buy new or used.

Which one of you was it?

http://jalopnik.com/what-will-happen...ion-1757333033

If only I had a crystal ball. I'd be getting the new RS 2.0 now!

If anyone has the ability to join a credit union I'd do it. I am only 1.5% from the get go.

Getting Doug with letters

Already have new wheels & shift knob for my '17....how crazy is that. Can't find squat on this car, and Geneva starts tomorrow....only news is that CUV :(

Probably won't see anything until Chicago. Maybe not even until summer.


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Keep eyes on NY later this month :)

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Not necessarily. They could have just gone with a similarly priced but higher output engine. Might not of had all the "feels" and low COG but completely doable.

What does Toyota have in their stable that makes 100HP/L? The last engine they had that did this was the 2ZZ, and that's been dead for almost a decade.

Is there any car in this market that is specifically RWD, low COG, under 30k and lightweight (3000lbs) brand new that you have the choice to buy? Nothing.

That is why this car exists. If you're stuck on HP figures, go buy a damn Honda Odyssey with like 300hp :bonk:

Miata and New Fiat fit this nicely.

Ones a roadster and one isn't even out yet

Plenty from the Lexus line. Sure the price would have went up a little probably but as we have seen people are willing to spend 30k for the release series. No reason they couldn't have came out with a higher end model if they wanted to.

I was just answering your question is all.

Which you would know that a roadster is not the same segment as the "GT" coupe. And both the Miata and Fiat are "slower" than the toyobaru anyway.

Like I said, there is nothing in the same segment with the particulars that the toyobaru fills. and if they had a more powerful version, the price would easily go up 5-7k per vehicle on the market. then you step into a whole way different and more saturated RWD coupe segment.

Not to be an ass, but I'm pretty sure you said this "RWD, low COG, under 30k and lightweight (3000lbs) brand new that you have the choice to buy? Nothing."

apparently you're more literal than I am. pretty sure the already assumed inferences didn't need to be brought up (such as comparing in the same segment of vehicle).

Since when is the miata/fiata slower than the 86?

ok i take it back. .4 seconds slower than the Miata in quarter. Regardless, it's not even in the same segment lol

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-...rz-comparison/

and less than 2 seconds in the total lap time. OH NOES

so are we all getting toyota badges:happyanim:

Agreed. I'd be just as well off getting a motorcycle as a Miata because I'd be the only person every in/on it. 2+2 configuration is what makes the twins hit such a sweet spot. I drove myself and my coworker to the airport for a Japan trip in my FR-S on Saturday. A Miata would have slumbered in the garage. Literally the same thing would happen any time my daughter would need to go anywhere with me.


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So my Scion badges are now a collectors item. Ahhh yeah, go rarity. I shall sell my SCION FRS now for a million dollars in 5 years :P

I talked about this with my buddy the other day. The thing that would secure the value and worth of this car is if the car is featured in a new fast and furious movie and is driven by a main character.

WHEN THE HELL WAS THIS ANNOUNCED?

You mean a million yen... so about 9k. :lol:

http://toyotadriverseat.com/article_...ticle_id=12605

Catch the new name under the photo? Not sure of the legitimacy but seems to be a Toyota official site...

Toyota to scrap Scion brand, but FR-S will become a Toyota!
 

Great catch. Could be a mistake, but definitely lends some legitimacy to changing the name. I wonder if they would change the iM (Matrix) and iA (Yaris) as well.


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