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-   -   Toyota to scrap Scion brand, but FR-S will become a Toyota! (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100949)

strat61caster 02-03-2016 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFisty (Post 2533572)
So, I find it kind of cool that I'll have one of the Scions. I don't think it will ever explode in value, but it will be rarer.
Highly doubtful, the 86 sales are on a downward trend and will continue to decline, they will never sell as well as they did in 2013 without a radical redesign, upgrade, or massive price cut, and this upcoming 'refresh' is highly unlikely to be anything of significant value other than bumpers and a 'yota badge and maybe some fluff I don't give two fucks about. We might see a spike up to ~15k units in 2017/18 if the refresh is delivered by then and then another continual decline for another 4 years (therefore fewer units with 'Yota badges running around the Americas) and then it will be announced whether there will be a 2nd gen or if it's dead.

Just like every other RWD Japanese "sports car" in the last 20 years. Hell the North American Yota 86 could be fugly and sell even fewer units making Scion the common one and the Yota the rare one with the same performance.

D_Thissen 02-03-2016 02:59 PM
I love how everyone on FB thinks there car is going to be rare now that Scion doesn't exist. Between June 2012 and Dec 2014 over 43000 FRS's were sold lol. I'm willing to bet the FRS will still be called the FRS just with a T badge now.

Packofcrows 02-03-2016 03:00 PM
Will my FR-S badges give it a Scion tax of like $2000? So if my 23k FR-S is worth only 20k, with the Scion badges it's up to $22k?


So the AE86 gets the Initial D tax, we get the Scion tax? haha



IMHO with the Toyota badges, sells will go up!

Summerwolf 02-03-2016 03:01 PM
You know what would sell more 86 vehicles?






..........power.

gymratter 02-03-2016 03:07 PM
This looks like it will coincide with the 2017 facelift model.

http://s2.paultan.org/image/2015/09/...31-630x308.jpg

Packofcrows 02-03-2016 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by miyoshi82 (Post 2533579)
At this point, I'm going to accept that the facelift for the MY 2017 is actually happening. I'm sure Toyota of North America wants to distance themselves from the Scion brand with a new look rather than just applying a Toyota badge on an existing FRS.
Maybe its a hint at the FRS 2.0 version! Maybe a little bigger engine or more significant performance updates in the works?

RRnold 02-03-2016 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2533609)
Highly doubtful, the 86 sales are on a downward trend and will continue to decline, they will never sell as well as they did in 2013 without a radical redesign, upgrade, or massive price cut, and this upcoming 'refresh' is highly unlikely to be anything of significant value other than bumpers and a 'yota badge and maybe some fluff I don't give two fucks about. We might see a spike up to ~15k units in 2017/18 if the refresh is delivered by then and then another continual decline for another 4 years (therefore fewer units with 'Yota badges running around the Americas) and then it will be announced whether there will be a 2nd gen or if it's dead.

Just like every other RWD Japanese "sports car" in the last 20 years. Hell the North American Yota 86 could be fugly and sell even fewer units making Scion the common one and the Yota the rare one with the same performance.
+1

Honestly, it'll depend on what Toyota plans to do with the FR-S. If they finally give her a name, add some more power, and do a kouki update that'll give this car some substance later on down the road.

Make the final production year a little more special and it'll be a classic 10-15 yrs down the road. However, having the Subaru association and not a true Toyota, it'll be a classic but not a legend.

D_Thissen 02-03-2016 03:08 PM
Just picked it up today ;) http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...40136757de.jpg

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MrFisty 02-03-2016 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by D_Thissen (Post 2533611)
I love how everyone on FB thinks there car is going to be rare now that Scion doesn't exist. Between June 2012 and Dec 2014 over 43000 FRS's were sold lol. I'm willing to bet the FRS will still be called the FRS just with a T badge now.
Between 1970 and 1973/4, there were over 140k Datsun 240z cars brought into America, and while they are not super rare, say like a real Shelby Cobra, they are becoming pretty rare.
43,000? I'll take it.

fumanchu1 02-03-2016 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2533602)
Normally, I agree, but you have to wonder, given they are not discontinuing the cars but basically slapping an already existing logo on them on a production line that already uses the logo, if it couldn't have been a relatively "snap" decision? Yes, you eat a little bit of costs for the change but not as much as dropping an entire product from production. The tC was already being phased out (as it said in the release) so really not much is changing here.

The cars are still built (with a logo change) in the same factory, shipped to the same locations, and sold by the same people. Very minimal change.
Just the logo stamp change on a single part could potentially void a contract(depending on the terms) or increase costs significantly or increase production time/backorder

MrFisty 02-03-2016 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2533617)
You know what would sell more 86 vehicles?






..........power.

And will also make it more expensive, probably by a large margin.

miyoshi82 02-03-2016 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2533636)
Maybe its a hint at the FRS 2.0 version! Maybe a little bigger engine or more significant performance updates in the works?
I would like for Toyota to keep the current exterior look which I love with performance upgrades. Sadly, I doubt this will happen.

funwheeldrive 02-03-2016 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFisty (Post 2533650)
And will also make it more expensive, probably by a large margin.
Power isn't free

Packofcrows 02-03-2016 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by c4lvinnn (Post 2533272)
Aw man. Now everyone who has Toyota badges on their toyobaruion won't confuse the general public anymore. :(

I had fun telling people that it was the new Supra all the time.

Time to rebadge McLaren or Aston Martin?

http://astonmartin.blob.core.windows...go3_1971hr.jpg


LOL


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