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jacobe38 04-18-2021 01:29 AM

Oil Leak / PCV Puzzle
 
hello, I'll try and keep this succinct. looking for help on tracking down an issue or two. trying to figure out where the oil is coming from, because its all over, and i can't make sense of what the source issue is. ill get it eventually but i would love some input from (hopefully) more experienced folks.


full album: https://imgur.com/a/nMjv6vW
  • 2014 brz, 65k. NA, headers and e85 tune, but in process of installing JRSC kit
  • car is tracked a lot. ran find last season. no noticeable oil consumption. but i changed oil often and an accusump could mask this
  • doing Direct injector service
  • found the following concerning things


oil was found:

all around the PCV valve area. wettest just below the PCV valve in areas circled (not sure what to call it exactly) oil residue also in areas above PCV where it would not flow "uphill". if its vapor laden blowby gasses escaping from the PCV tubing, perhaps thats explaining the spread?
https://i.imgur.com/3C2lsGI.png


oil residue also found around the breather hose on the top of the intake manifold. i had wiped most of it off here already. it was fairly damp.
https://i.imgur.com/AP7s7Z4.png

oil residue also found on back of intake manifold, and on intake manifold underside as well (not a whole lot here, but noticeable)
https://i.imgur.com/PNvfXnD.png

lots of oil residue inside intake manifold. each port pretty much looked like this. the inner walls are not 'wet' despite looking like droplets but can be wiped off with a rag. the gasket area is definitely wet. how normal is this? certainly does not look ideal - but this is my first time pulling an intake manifold
https://i.imgur.com/fH12D9F.png

POV from throttle body looking inside intake manifold, you can see what appears to be oil splatter pattern as if oil was flowing into manifold from air intake. or maybe coming in from pcv hose and just making an instant U turn to hit the back wall?
https://i.imgur.com/140EZhj.png

breather hose port in the air intake tube from driver front PCV(CCV?) system, showing oil leaking into it, and patterns of it being drawn in
https://i.imgur.com/OUPYYud.png

pics of catch can that was on the car when i bought it (bought the car last year) hose to manifold was slightly kinked but not shut as far as i know. the hose going to PCV valve did not seem like the best connection (hose was cut crooked) never more than a tablespoon of oil in the catch can after several track days and hundreds of miles.
https://i.imgur.com/Fcue5tO.png

all intake ports looked like this pretty much
https://i.imgur.com/1TWZ88T.png



also one direct injector tip was oily


what does it all mean? thanks for any input. i have not done any compression or leakdown tests. until now no reason to even consider one

I'm thinking my crankcase pressures, meaning vacuums, are wonky. I am not sure why there would be oil leaking into the air intake like that unless for some reason that is pulling a strong vacuum, which as far as i know isn't supposed to happen

maybe accusump is causing overfilling and resulting in a lot of extra blow by?

could it be possible that oem pcv valve has failed?

Ashikabi 04-18-2021 02:13 AM

Get a better catch can setup for sure. You've got lots of blow by for some reason. Leak-down seems prudent

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jacobe38 04-18-2021 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikabi (Post 3424471)
Get a better catch can setup for sure. You've got lots of blow by for some reason. Leak-down seems prudent

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i was considering the radium dual can setup, since apparently i'm getting blow by on the ccv side too. but so far i agree that leak down might be in order...

DarkPira7e 04-18-2021 12:25 PM

Get a leak down test before investing another penny.

jacobe38 04-18-2021 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3424561)
Get a leak down test before investing another penny.

I think I will. Looking at which adapter to get, our thread diameter is 12mm right?

jacobe38 04-20-2021 12:05 AM

bump if anybody else has input

YamahaR86 04-22-2021 11:41 AM

Two of the most common oil leaks (which I recently have now) is the Cam plate and Timing Chain cover.

jacobe38 04-22-2021 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 3426022)
Two of the most common oil leaks (which I recently have now) is the Cam plate and Timing Chain cover.

ive read about those, but neither of these leaks could produce oil on top of the block like i have here.

right now my money is on the PCV connection.

hopefully this has been caused by weird crankcase pressures, hypothetically due to the mishimoto catch can. if that isnt it, i then most likely have a really bad blowby problem, and im also looking at doing a leakdown test to try and rule that out.

YamahaR86 04-23-2021 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobe38 (Post 3426047)
ive read about those, but neither of these leaks could produce oil on top of the block like i have here.

right now my money is on the PCV connection.

hopefully this has been caused by weird crankcase pressures, hypothetically due to the mishimoto catch can. if that isnt it, i then most likely have a really bad blowby problem, and im also looking at doing a leakdown test to try and rule that out.


I have the same oil catch can. Finally emptied it after 2 years and it was 1/3 full.

I'm boosted and haven't seen oil around that area on mine.



Try to do a vacuum test (using a smoke/fog machine). When going boosted, you want to replace that PCV valve with an STI one since stock can't handle it. Mine wasn't seated correctly (by me) because it's a tight area and I couldn't get to it. Took it to a shop and they smoke test it to find it, they had a hard time tightening it as well but got it done.

jacobe38 04-26-2021 11:23 PM

update, pulled the plugs, and took some pics of the piston heads. 3/4 of the plugs had an oily base, tips look fine as far as i know. all piston heads had this same damp-ish appearance. hoping to hear back from the injector servicer that they were leaking and thus explaining damp piston tops. still haven't done the leakdown yet

https://i.imgur.com/frcMUgH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kOFd9p2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/j1cytaU.jpg

jacobe38 04-26-2021 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 3426451)
I have the same oil catch can. Finally emptied it after 2 years and it was 1/3 full.

I'm boosted and haven't seen oil around that area on mine.



Try to do a vacuum test (using a smoke/fog machine). When going boosted, you want to replace that PCV valve with an STI one since stock can't handle it. Mine wasn't seated correctly (by me) because it's a tight area and I couldn't get to it. Took it to a shop and they smoke test it to find it, they had a hard time tightening it as well but got it done.

thx for the reply

PCV valve is getting replaced but just oem. the jackson racing kit has an in-line check valve to handle the extra pressures included. so the plan is to just install as they intended. at tuners recommendation

jacobe38 05-03-2021 11:53 PM

update: replaced the PCV valve, and the brand new valve had a much more freely moving valve inside than the existing one. the new one will move around when simply turning it upside down, the old one has to be forcibly shaken to get movement. i'm not sure if that is significant or not. by comparison, it felt like the old one was gunked up or something. i can't say if it was 'out of spec', but it would surely be more difficult for a pressure difference to actuate it, especially through a catch can. maybe that helps point toward a faulty PCV being my issue. Either way it was interesting to see the difference between mine and a brand new one. figured i'd share that.

for now i'm deleting the catch can and using a new PCV to see how things go. no leakdown or compression yet.

Brz-123 07-18-2021 12:54 PM

How is it holding up now? And have you installed the SC?

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botbs 04-03-2022 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobe38 (Post 3429444)
update: replaced the PCV valve, and the brand new valve had a much more freely moving valve inside than the existing one. the new one will move around when simply turning it upside down, the old one has to be forcibly shaken to get movement. i'm not sure if that is significant or not. by comparison, it felt like the old one was gunked up or something. i can't say if it was 'out of spec', but it would surely be more difficult for a pressure difference to actuate it, especially through a catch can. maybe that helps point toward a faulty PCV being my issue. Either way it was interesting to see the difference between mine and a brand new one. figured i'd share that.

for now i'm deleting the catch can and using a new PCV to see how things go. no leakdown or compression yet.


Any updates ?


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