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JDM_Import 10-05-2019 01:30 AM

RaceGas in Canada HP+++
 
You can get RaceGas in the GTA now. The gains are similar to E85 and alot safer then water/methanol injection.
You'll need a dyno tune and one can of RaceGas additive in your tank.
If you're boosted and tuned for 94 octane you will achieve aproximately 99 Octane with RaceGas additive which will increase torque/horsepower (+20 - 40)
I've been thinking of going this route... Anyone else doing this?

86driftcar 10-11-2019 07:07 PM

RaceGas? Never even heard of this in Canada
Is it similar gains to E85 or water methanol injection?

Lynxis 10-11-2019 09:16 PM

I am always sceptical of products that make claims like this.

The marketing literature make it seem to work like a high performance octane booster. I can find no sign that it's safe for catalytic converters or general emissions equipment. I can't find any independent testing outside of their own webpage to verify octane claims although other similar products exist and DO seem to have some verified independent testing. I actually expect this product is one of these with a different label as is often the case with these things.

JDM_Import 12-08-2019 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 86driftcar (Post 3266238)
RaceGas? Never even heard of this in Canada
Is it similar gains to E85 or water methanol injection?

I haven't done a RaceGas tune yet but I have a buddy who did and gained +35hp and +20lb-ft

86driftcar 12-08-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JDM_Import (Post 3281375)
I haven't done a RaceGas tune yet but I have a buddy who did and gained +35hp and +20lb-ft

That's impressive considering all you need is a dyno tune + RaceGas. I would think Water/Methanol is alot more expensive and unsafe.

new2subaru 12-08-2019 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JDM_Import (Post 3281375)
I haven't done a RaceGas tune yet but I have a buddy who did and gained +35hp and +20lb-ft

With what additional parts, if any?

I find it hard to believe 8oz of anything will do that. Straight Benzene/Toluene/Alcohol/Plutonium can't do that. What is in that magical 8oz of liquid?

Turbo 12-09-2019 01:39 AM

That's the octane booster I run, Glenn.

Not cheap - but it allows me to run 91 octane fuel on track with my 94 octane tune when 94 isn't available at a pump nearby. Sasha from Onpoint Dyno runs it - so that's a pretty big vote of confidence in the product working right there.


It contains some naughty chemicals though (notably MMT), so it's not street legal.


As I recall, I need basically an entire can to top a full tank of 91 up to 94.



Royal Purple makes a similar additive that's quite a bit cheaper and is also MMT based. Haven't seen any actual dyno tests - but the butt dyno results felt identical to me.

new2subaru 12-09-2019 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbo (Post 3281530)
That's the octane booster I run, Glenn.

Not cheap - but it allows me to run 91 octane fuel on track with my 94 octane tune when 94 isn't available at a pump nearby. Sasha from Onpoint Dyno runs it - so that's a pretty big vote of confidence in the product working right there.


It contains some naughty chemicals though (notably MMT), so it's not street legal.


As I recall, I need basically an entire can to top a full tank of 91 up to 94.

Thanks for the clarification, Brian. That's a hefty price to pay to go from 91-94. Is there no Petro 94 around anywhere?

I had the ratios wrong. I misread their ad here;

https://performanceimprovements.com/products/rg100032

MMT was removed from fuels a long time ago for many reasons, as I'm sure you know. Posted for others.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...-gasoline.html

Ethanol would be a better option I think. Logistics is the main issue and cost, of course.

Turbo 12-19-2019 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by new2subaru (Post 3281547)
Thanks for the clarification, Brian. That's a hefty price to pay to go from 91-94. Is there no Petro 94 around anywhere?

I had the ratios wrong. I misread their ad here;

https://performanceimprovements.com/products/rg100032

MMT was removed from fuels a long time ago for many reasons, as I'm sure you know. Posted for others.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-cana...-gasoline.html

Ethanol would be a better option I think. Logistics is the main issue and cost, of course.

Currently, there is no 94 octane fuel in the area around Grand Bend, but that should be changing. I've been talking with one of the local gas stations, and they are looking at bringing in a higher octane fuel for the summer. Most likely something in the 94-98 octane range, as the track only carries 100 Octane+ options right now. As I understand they are currently deciding whether it will be drum based or stored in a new tank underground.


I believe the street price is about $40 a can, so "Race Gas" brand is not cheap. But it works. The 91->94 price jump probably equates to about $10 a tank at the station for comparison. The plus here is you could run a ZERO ethanol fuel (which some people like) and still get 94 octane.

Can't do that with Ultra 94 since it's actually more than 10% ethanol.

As for using ethanol as an additive - the problem here is that while it does raise octane it has a much lower energy content per unit volume than gasoline. It is also highly hygroscopic. MMT brings a SHIT PILE of energy to the table, in addition to the octane bump. Our cars are also very sensitive to ethanol - it's the reason our fuel pumps chirp like crickets.


MMT was removed solely due to tree huggers. Anything else you read is more or less a sales pitch.

Lantanafrs2 12-19-2019 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JDM_Import (Post 3264059)
You can get RaceGas + tune in the GTA now. The gains are similar to E85 and alot safer then water/methanol injection.
You'll need a dyno tune and one can of RaceGas additive in your tank.
This will achieve aprox. 99 Octane which will increase horsepower (+20-40 HP)
I've been thinking of going this route... Anyone else doing this?

20 to 40? That's a pretty wide spread there. Probably more like 15

Lynxis 12-21-2019 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 (Post 3284374)
20 to 40? That's a pretty wide spread there. Probably more like 15

You can see those sorts of gains if you're boosted but otherwise, it's more like 10-15.

JDM_Import 12-27-2019 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by new2subaru (Post 3281422)
With what additional parts, if any?

I find it hard to believe 8oz of anything will do that. Straight Benzene/Toluene/Alcohol/Plutonium can't do that. What is in that magical 8oz of liquid?

Who said anything about 8oz of RaceGas? You need boost and 32oz of RaceGas to make that kinda power.

JDM_Import 12-27-2019 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 (Post 3284374)
20 to 40? That's a pretty wide spread there. Probably more like 15

Dyno numbers dont lie, especially when you have before and after dyno runs for comparison... you'd be surprised what a boosted BRZ gains with RaceGas

JDM_Import 12-27-2019 08:02 AM

I should have been more specific here. For anyone interested Yes I saw the dyno results before and after. I will try to acquire that and post it here. This was done on a 2018 twin with a 210 Sprintex supercharger.
To be precise, 32oz of RaceGas additive gained 20lb-ft and 37whp. Timing was pulled back as soon knock was introduced so its conservatively tuned.


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