Originally Posted by p1l0t (Post 3364264)

I'm regret this necro. I swear I'll never do it again. (at least this month)

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Originally Posted by JesseG (Post 3364147)

I think that sums it up really well, the parent company and dealer play hot potato and the customer ends up getting screwed. It’s just a crappy system in general. And I’m sure the majority of FR-S/BRZ owners that decided (or were forced to in California) didn’t have any problems after the repair. A bunch of owners outside of CA probably didn’t even get the recall done. Possibly in fear of engine failure. Let’s be honest, a lot of dealerships would wash their hands of the repair after they attempt the fix. Any problems after that the customer will likely pay for (because T/S wouldn’t pay them to do the repair again).


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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise (Post 3364288)

Any owner who filed a lawsuit and didn't name S/T in addition to the dealer should fire their attorney. Seriously. Also wouldn't have to be a full replacement of the engine. There are other ways to pressure dealers to do the right thing or otherwise help the affected owners.

Originally Posted by JesseG (Post 3364419)

Look what you’ve done! [emoji51] I hope you’re proud of yourself


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Originally Posted by JesseG (Post 3364418)

I do believe they care, we probably wouldn’t even have the twins if they didn’t. I think Toyota takes quality control issues very seriously, part of their reputation is built on reliability. It’s unfortunate how some of the early issues were handled though. It may have been handled a little differently if it was strictly a Toyota product. Were the valves and head tuned by Yamaha?
I totally understand being hesitant about getting a first year 2nd gen 86, or any S/T product. Confidence in a brand can be lost quickly, especially if it causes any financial burden. You’ve had a great attitude about it all, and I hope you continue to support the 86/BRZ.


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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3364533)

...The internet makes small groups of people with problems seem like the majority...

Originally Posted by p1l0t (Post 3364541)

So does the media as of late...


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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3364533)

There is no such thing as a bullet proof car no matter what people may say.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3364530)

In addition to yes. Instead of no.


It may come across that I am defending the manufacturers but I assure you that is not the case. I am simply trying to convey the message that going after them is a losing proposition since they have many legal buffers built in between them and the dealers. As rational as it may seem to say that they SHOULD be responsible it just isn't the reality of the situation and trying to change that is just pissing into the wind.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 3364570)

Well, there is, but it's not exactly a light sports car....

https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-con...68%2C460&ssl=1

Originally Posted by p1l0t (Post 3364601)

Must be a bitch to insure.

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3364533)

The early issues were handled fine for most people.
Toyota would have done the same.
The internet makes small groups of people with problems seem like the majority. Most owners have had trouble free experiences.
There is no such thing as a bullet proof car no matter what people may say.