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Originally Posted by CincyJohn
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Thanks for the help/information. Not sure I understand the person who suggested the e10 occasional clean out vis-a-vis the fuel pump. Either the e85 is going to cause the fuel pump to go or it isn't, right? How would running an occasional tank of e10 "clean it out" and prevent that? It doesn't make any sense to me.
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He may be miswording it a little. I believe he is simply trying to say that our platform is not rated for running E85. I do not believe E10 will CLEAN anything out more than E85, as E85 should do a better job at that. But E10 will attract less moisture, therefore posing less risk to the fuel system components. Not very knowledgeable on the the WRX platform, but my guess is E85 makes it fail quicker due to the amount of work the fuel pump has to do. That is often the fail point as E85 will require the fuel pump to work much harder due to the lower energy content, requiring far more fuel to be pumped. On top of that, a vehicle is often tuned on E85 to produce even more power, therefore requiring EVEN MORE fuel. Unless there is evidence of corrosion or some other type of problem with the WRX, BRZ, or any platform for that matter, I don't see how the fuel itself is doing any damage to the pump.
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Originally Posted by CincyJohn
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Don't misunderstand what I am saying about flex fuel - I think it is fine assuming everything is working properly. But I think using it and frequently changing what you are running (thus constantly changing your tuning) is more likely to run into an issue with having the wrong tuning than running the same fuel all the time. Of course, it does have the benefit (which probably outweighs my issue) of being able to change tuning depending on the ethanol percentage of the e85 you are running (given it technically can run 51% - 83%).
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Agreed, this is why if you go this route, it is quite important to go with a good tuner and probably spend the bigger bucks. Another thing @
ayau mentions is that various platforms only benefit so much from ethanol. In the case of the twins, most of the gains are around E50. So this is another large benefit to having flex. Not only will you get a decent bit better gas mileage running E50 vs E85, but with a good tune, the AFR can be pretty precise for any ethanol, including E50 for close to the max power potential. A pure E85 tune is really setup for something like E70-E80 IIRC, and probably varies based on the tuner. So if you are running true E85, your AFR will likely be slightly off of ideal and therefore not perfectly tuned for max potential.
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Originally Posted by CincyJohn
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Understand what you are saying about water and leaving it sit for long periods with e85. Good news is it gets driven frequently and the longest it has ever sat is one week. The drives are generally exactly the kind you would like - commute for 25 minutes on mostly highway miles.
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This type of stuff is most important, in my opinion, to keeping a vehicles components in good shape and not reducing their lifespan as much when running E85.
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Originally Posted by CincyJohn
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As for the fuel pump, other than getting stuck somewhere in an inconvenient location (which I am not too worried about), don't see why I would ever change it before it fails (if it ever does). It's not a "maintenance part" and other than above, its failure is not otherwise dangerous to other parts of the car.
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Inspecting the fuel system every 30K miles is under the Subaru maintenance schedule. At 72K, the fuel filter should be replaced. But again, when running E85, you are putting far more stress on the fuel pump than what it was spec'd for. So yes, you may not need to ever replace the pump, but using a fuel the car was not designed for, this may be something to consider. The worst that happens is your fuel pump fails in the middle of your drive and your car stalls out, in which case you would need to safely pull over - this could be the potential risk depending on where and how fast you're driving.
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Originally Posted by CincyJohn
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Also not sure about the advice of cleaning injectors. Seems to me like e85 users should be on a longer, not shorter, interval for cleaning injectors than e10 users would be, right? Am I missing something? How do yo clean injectors?
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Correct, E85 would actually clean the injectors and other fuel system components better than E10. But the risk of moisture in the system remains for high ethanol. It only takes a tiny bit of moisture to buildup during a period the car sits a little while and maybe on a humid week. That tiny bit will be enough to cause corrosion/rust buildup - which is what does damage to components like the injectors.
Theoretically, you're right about all the maintenance thoughts, you shouldn't have to do as much maintenance with some of the items, aside from the fuel pump possibly due to it working harder. E85 does clean the system better and prevent gunk from building up. But as @
ayau stated, there is not enough evidence out there for us to make clear conclusions. How long can your car sit before moisture gets into the fuel system? What kind of temperatures and humidity could cause this to happen much quicker, and how fast? There can be so many different factors. Which is why if you at least follow the general care guidelines that we've discussed, you are already doing the best you can to prevent any problems.
As a side note, I only know of one shop (I'm sure there are plenty others out there) that does injector cleaning.
https://www.counterspacegarage.com/f...-86-subaru-brz