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diss7 09-17-2013 02:30 AM

Ways to 'soften' stock rev limiter?
 
So I finally took my car to the track today for some drift practise.

One thing I experienced for the first time (as I was a good boy during break in) is how the ecu pulls the throttle right away for a good second or so (that's what I'm assuming its doing?) when you hit rev limit.

Have never experienced it before, and it is bloody awful, especially for drifting.

I ended up just working around it, but would really rather not have the second o death if I can help it.

Wondering if anyone has a fix? (That's not another flash/tune) local tuner doesn't have ecutek capability yet, and I have another track day on Saturday. :/

Have thought about bee-r limiter and setting this to a few hundred rpm before actual rev limit. But have just been advised ecu may detect misfiring and throw Cel.

Help!!

Element Tuning 09-17-2013 03:08 AM

Yeah it sucks as most drive by wire cars use a throttle cut to control the hard rev limit. This mostly effects racers when trying to stretch a gear out.

Next to a Hydra EMS I'm not sure what else you can do since drifting tends to result in long periods on the rev limiter.

Shiv@Openflash 09-17-2013 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1216708)
So I finally took my car to the track today for some drift practise.

One thing I experienced for the first time (as I was a good boy during break in) is how the ecu pulls the throttle right away for a good second or so (that's what I'm assuming its doing?) when you hit rev limit.

Have never experienced it before, and it is bloody awful, especially for drifting.

I ended up just working around it, but would really rather not have the second o death if I can help it.

Wondering if anyone has a fix? (That's not another flash/tune) local tuner doesn't have ecutek capability yet, and I have another track day on Saturday. :/

Have thought about bee-r limiter and setting this to a few hundred rpm before actual rev limit. But have just been advised ecu may detect misfiring and throw Cel.

Help!!

The stock ECU tune has a big hysteresis value. Depending on the rev limiter that is active, it's either 200 or 350rpm. Which means that the rev limiter kills the engine at the higher RPM value and then doesn't enable it until it drops to the low rpm value. This causes a rather lazy rev limiter behavior.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4.../revlimits.jpg

To fix it, all you need to do is set the ON and OFF RPM very close to each othern (within 50RPM). Or even set them to the same value. This will make the rev limiter softer and more usable. I suspect the calibration team at Subaru decided to set up the stock rev limiter to be feel violent so that it wouldn't encourage drivers to stay up there :)

FWIW, in our off-the-shelf Openflash maps we reduce hysteresis to 150RPM. Easy to change if you want something softer.

diss7 09-17-2013 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu (Post 1216739)
The stock ECU tune has a big hysteresis value. Depending on the rev limiter that is active, it's either 200 or 350rpm. Which means that the rev limiter kills the engine at the higher RPM value and then doesn't enable it until it drops to the low rpm value. This causes a rather lazy rev limiter behavior.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4.../revlimits.jpg

To fix it, all you need to do is set the ON and OFF RPM very close to each othern (with 50RPM). Or even set them to the same value. This will make the rev limiter softer and more usable. I suspect the calibration team at Subaru decided to set up the stock rev limiter to be feel violent so that it wouldn't encourage drivers to stay up there :)

FWIW, in our off-the-shelf Openflash maps we reduce hysteresis to 150RPM. Easy to change if you want something softer.

Is there anyway I can change this on my setup, with some downloadable software? I already have a flash and a cable, as I've gone FI recently.

Don't really want to have to go into the dealer to make these adjustments; if that is what you're suggesting; which I'm fairly sure you aren't.

Shiv@Openflash 09-17-2013 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1216752)
Is there anyway I can change this on my setup, with some downloadable software? I already have a flash and a cable, as I've gone FI recently.

Don't really want to have to go into the dealer to make these adjustments; if that is what you're suggesting; which I'm fairly sure you aren't.

What flash and cable do you have?

diss7 09-17-2013 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu (Post 1216753)
What flash and cable do you have?

Ecutek. And the Australian flash for the Bullet supercharger and intercooler system and 98 RON fuel.

But, I'm fairly sure I'm locked out of making changes..

Kodename47 09-17-2013 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1216826)
Ecutek. And the Australian flash for the Bullet supercharger and intercooler system and 98 RON fuel.

But, I'm fairly sure I'm locked out of making changes..

Just ask your tuner if he can make the change for you and send you a new file. Or are you just using a base file provided from Bullet? They may be happy to know how you do this and roll it out on all their tunes....

diss7 09-17-2013 08:05 AM

Yeah it's just the base tune. And local tuner is not able to talk to ecutek :/

mad_sb 09-17-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1216857)
Yeah it's just the base tune. And local tuner is not able to talk to ecutek :/

They may also need to change the manifold pressure fuel cut resume value if your boosted.

448hpsti 09-17-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu (Post 1216753)
What flash and cable do you have?

We need to talk

Shiv@Openflash 09-17-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 448hpsti (Post 1217064)
We need to talk

Ok :)
So how about that new Miss America?

King Tut 09-17-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu (Post 1217452)
Ok :)
So how about that new Miss America?

Wouldn't bang. Has pointy elbows.

IceFyre13th 09-17-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut (Post 1217480)
Wouldn't bang. Has pointy elbows.

Fine, I will take her..........:offtopic:

448hpsti 09-18-2013 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu (Post 1217452)
Ok :)
So how about that new Miss America?

Well frankly, happy for her and the cultural melting thing, but having lived in NYC, there are way hotter Indian chics out there, fwiw.

I would have to guess there's something behind the shiv(my dads name incidentally ) and the deity derived company name? Or not?

So you're an ecutek shop?
I've looked at your 335 stuff before I sold that car.
Good to see you here.


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