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RavioliG 01-13-2016 10:39 AM

Misfire at Idle
 
So right now my car is in a state of disarray. P0300 P0302 P219A P119E DTCs are all set and the car misfires at idle.

First some background story:

When I was installing my lightweight FW and clutch, I had noticed a slight oil leak underneath the motor. Knowing that the 13Y models had some issues with gaskets, I took the car to the dealership.

Around this time I developed the DTCs: P219A and P119E.
Something peculiar about the DTCs; after a DTC clear, the codes would only come back on after a period of idling. I drove 30 miles on the highway without any CEL coming on.
The dealership fixed my oil leak, it turned out to be from the lower cam cover plates.
Regarding the DTC, they told me that the problem was the A/F sensor (I had previously checked the voltages coming off the sensor and everything seemed OK but why argue with a dealership..). And since that part wasn't covered under warranty, I would have to buy it. So $220 later, I installed the new A/F sensor.

The CEL came back on again after a couple dozen miles. This time with 2 more codes. P0300 and P0302.

On a cold start, there is no popping, and there is no hissing. There aren't even any codes tripped until the RPMs fall <1000.
But when the RPMs are <1000, I can feel the vibrations from a slight misfire, and the RPMs fluctuate. When I read the 'Cylinder X Misfire' count values on the OFT, they start incrementing when the car is at idle with no throttle applied.
But when I apply some throttle, there are no more misfires, and the car feels fine, and drives fine.

Does anyone have any insight on this, or maybe a starting point on what to check next?
I have also already checked the intake for leaks, as well as cleaned the air filter and MAF sensor. MAF sensor voltage also looks OK.

RavioliG 01-17-2016 01:14 PM

Update: Yay dealer visit on wednesday!!

RavioliG 02-12-2016 11:00 AM

Update:

Car was in the shop for 3 weeks, with the techs constantly working on it. (Ran compression and leakdown test, vacuum tests, etc)
Tech diagnosed the problem to be the high pressure fuel pump, and it was replaced. Tech also ran a fuel system cleaner through the system.
CEL didn't come back on, and car was given back to me.

Today I when I was warming my car up, the CEL came back on. (Only happens under idle...)
Plugged in and read the code, and they were the same codes P219A, and P0302.

I'm watching the misfires occur on an OFT and cylinders 2 and 4 rack up some misfires, but heavily weighted toward cylinder 2.
Misfire counts would be 24+ on cylinder 2 and 1-2 on cylinder 4 before the counts would reset.
Also something I noticed... When starting an idle. The target fuel pressure in the rail would be about 4Mpa (580psi) .. but after 10-20 seconds of idling, the fuel pressure would rise to 10Mpa (1450psi).
However, when I apply throttle, the target fuel pressure and measured rail pressure are spot on equal. I'll upload a data file later today.
Could a clogged direct injector cause a rise in fuel rail pressure? Since 2 and 4 are on the same rail, could it be a clogged rail?

Sportsguy83 02-12-2016 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RavioliG (Post 2545303)
Update:

Car was in the shop for 3 weeks, with the techs constantly working on it. (Ran compression and leakdown test, vacuum tests, etc)
Tech diagnosed the problem to be the high pressure fuel pump, and it was replaced. Tech also ran a fuel system cleaner through the system.
CEL didn't come back on, and car was given back to me.

Today I when I was warming my car up, the CEL came back on. (Only happens under idle...)
Plugged in and read the code, and they were the same codes P219A, and P0302.

I'm watching the misfires occur on an OFT and cylinders 2 and 4 rack up some misfires, but heavily weighted toward cylinder 2.
Misfire counts would be 24+ on cylinder 2 and 1-2 on cylinder 4 before the counts would reset.
Also something I noticed... When starting an idle. The target fuel pressure in the rail would be about 4Mpa (580psi) .. but after 10-20 seconds of idling, the fuel pressure would rise to 10Mpa (1450psi).
However, when I apply throttle, the target fuel pressure and measured rail pressure are spot on equal. I'll upload a data file later today.
Could a clogged direct injector cause a rise in fuel rail pressure? Since 2 and 4 are on the same rail, could it be a clogged rail?

How's your AFR?

humfrz 02-12-2016 03:25 PM

Back in the day, the first thing we would suspect would be a bad spark plug .......:iono:


humfrz

RavioliG 02-12-2016 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2545798)
Back in the day, the first thing we would suspect would be a bad spark plug .......:iono:


humfrz

Right? Which is why I changed all the spark plugs and coil packs :iono:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83 (Post 2545543)
How's your AFR?

I want to say .3-.4 leaner than the command AFR.
Under WOT it'll start borderline 13's and then creep down to mid 12's..

RavioliG 02-12-2016 05:24 PM

Datalogs:

IDLING http://datazap.me/u/raviolig/log-145...=1-3-7-9-10-11

WOT http://datazap.me/u/raviolig/log-145...g=2&data=1-3-9

NyC Zn6 02-12-2016 06:04 PM

Keep us posted...hope you get everything sorted out

roddy 02-12-2016 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2545798)
Back in the day, the first thing we would suspect would be a bad spark plug .......:iono:


humfrz


Unless you were driving a Dodge/Plymouth...then the first question would be "is it raining?". Those things hated moisture...had an old Dodge with a slant 6 and a Plymouth with a 318, and if a dog pissed on a tree two blocks from the house, neither one would start! Ahhh, back in the day... good times.


Sorry OP, I felt compelled to share that with @humfrz...I hope you can figure out that miss. It would drive me nuts. Was it always those 2 cylinders? Have you tried swapping coils from one cylinder to another, then checking to see if the misfires move with the coils?

humfrz 02-12-2016 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roddy (Post 2546094)
Unless you were driving a Dodge/Plymouth...then the first question would be "is it raining?". Those things hated moisture...had an old Dodge with a slant 6 and a Plymouth with a 318, and if a dog pissed on a tree two blocks from the house, neither one would start! Ahhh, back in the day... good times.


Sorry OP, I felt compelled to share that with @humfrz...I hope you can figure out that miss. It would drive me nuts. Was it always those 2 cylinders? Have you tried swapping coils from one cylinder to another, then checking to see if the misfires move with the coils?

Ahh yes, I had a friend with one of those engines and he used to carry a spare T shirt around in the trunk to dry out the distributor ..... :D

OBTW, good idea about switching coil packs ...... but, the OP said he had changed the plugs and coil packs ...... :iono:


humfrz

Si_Chris 02-12-2016 08:53 PM

Fuel injectors perhaps?

BRZnut 02-12-2016 10:20 PM

I was going to say coil packs but sounds like you already have that covered

RavioliG 02-25-2016 02:52 PM

Update: Put the stock flywheel back in. 200 miles in, and no light.

But.. I can still feel some roughness in the idle, OFT occasionally detects a misfire, and the car still runs slightly lean.

Obviously the root cause was not fixed.

TruRace 11-14-2017 08:47 PM

Did you ever get this figured out? I’m having similar issues.

Chicotunner07 12-22-2017 07:09 PM

any update on this OP?

having almost the exact same issues....

2013 BRZ 81k miles

only mod is a mishimoto intake tube and k&n drop in that have been on for 40k with no issues. This just started today out of the blue at a stop light, noticed rough idle, hopped on highway with no issues at all, car felt completely normal.

getting off the highway the rough idle started again and the CEL came on, threw on my obd2 scanner and pulled codes p219a and p0302. Got home, cleaned the filter, and cleaned the MAF, reinstalled cleared codes and test drove, after about 15 miles same codes came back.

Dont know where to start diagnosing.....

RavioliG 01-31-2018 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicotunner07 (Post 3019566)
any update on this OP?

having almost the exact same issues....

2013 BRZ 81k miles

only mod is a mishimoto intake tube and k&n drop in that have been on for 40k with no issues. This just started today out of the blue at a stop light, noticed rough idle, hopped on highway with no issues at all, car felt completely normal.

getting off the highway the rough idle started again and the CEL came on, threw on my obd2 scanner and pulled codes p219a and p0302. Got home, cleaned the filter, and cleaned the MAF, reinstalled cleared codes and test drove, after about 15 miles same codes came back.

Dont know where to start diagnosing.....

Nope I never fixed it. Swapped the motor out.. Did you ever get anywhere?

Tonrogs 06-20-2019 09:27 PM

Reviving an old thread because I'm having exact same issues and they seem unresolved.

Same issue here with my 14 BRZ. Misfires will accumulate on cylinder 2 like crazy. After driving awhile, then coming to a stop and idling it will start misfiring like crazy. Sometimes suddenly a change and it smoothes out and no misfires for the remainder of the drive.
Tried replacing spark plug, coil pack, direct injector. Nothing solves it. Have not looked at the hpfp pressures though......

FRSCHKN 08-29-2019 05:37 PM

I'm having the same issues as well as my ltft is up around 14%-22%. They're also pulling the same codes as Ravi's car. I'm starting to believe that the valves need to be adjusted.

steve99 08-29-2019 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSCHKN (Post 3252774)
I'm having the same issues as well as my ltft is up around 14%-22%. They're also pulling the same codes as Ravi's car. I'm starting to believe that the valves need to be adjusted.


Most common caise of high positive fuel trims at low rpm is intake or exhaust leaks.

kev0 08-29-2019 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve99 (Post 3252778)
Most common caise of high positive fuel trims at low rpm is intake or exhaust leaks.

My tuner made my tune richer to counter the vacuum leak, to the point where my fuel trims are -20% when driving. What kind of damages am I looking at long term?

steve99 08-29-2019 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kev0 (Post 3252782)
My tuner made my tune richer to counter the vacuum leak, to the point where my fuel trims are -20% when driving. What kind of damages am I looking at long term?


Best get vaccuum leak fixed then get tuner to fix up tune

FRSCHKN 09-29-2019 08:12 PM

Still having the same issues, just wondering if the motor has to come out for valve adjustment


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