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wise345 01-11-2016 02:40 AM

Want more low… and good performance...
 
My car looks like a monster truck on this stock suspension. Any recomendations for a coil/spring that will lower me to get rid of that wheel gap while giving me a good ride since the car is my DD and perform reasonably well on the occasional track day? Ride isn't all that important but it'd be nice… my budget is ~$1000 i can go over some but would like to stay around a grand, I know "performance" and "budget" don't go together but id like a nice balance, I'm not looking for the best performing parts out there just something good.

ryoma 01-11-2016 02:59 AM

TRD springs might be a cheap option. I have RCE yellows on mine which has about the same drop as the TRD springs with firmer spring rates than stock. I didn't go with coilovers since I'm not ready to drop about $2k for a decent set of coilovers just yet. the springs are a good and cheap alternative for me performance wise. there is still a little gap, but it definitely looks better than stock.

here's a before and after:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...pszrfefeuk.png

Tor 01-11-2016 05:25 AM

If $400 is within "a little over" there is the ST XTA for $1400. I just ordered those.

http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/st-s...t-ta-1645.html
Picture is not representable. Check out instead this picture from @yip (lower control arms of course not part of the coilovers):

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...pstw8bd88v.jpg

They are made by KW, are rebound adjustable and comes with camber adjustable top mounts in the front (same as on the Clubsport/V3). It uses the springs from the KW Clubsport in the front and KW V3 in the rear.

I think this is a really good option that the dealers don't promote because they are afraid to lose KW V3 sales. :thumbsup:

yip 01-11-2016 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tor (Post 2505049)

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...pstw8bd88v.jpg

They are made by KW, are rebound adjustable and comes with camber adjustable top mounts in the front (same as on the Clubsport/V3). It uses the springs from the KW Clubsport in the front and KW V3 in the rear.

I think this is a really good option that the dealers don't promote because they are afraid to lose KW V3 sales. :thumbsup:

Just installed these last week! Can't comment on handling since I haven't had it properly aligned yet.

Rides much more comfortable than stock or stock on lowering springs.

Tcoat 01-11-2016 06:11 AM

I have the RSR Superdowns on a heavy use DD and really like them. The right isn't too harsh and handling is great. On paper they say the drop is approx. 1.2 in front and 1.4 in back but in reality I have more like 1.6 in front and 1.8 in back. At under $300 a set they are a pretty good deal for a quality part.


http://www.rs-r.com/product-category/superdown-springs/

Ashikabi 01-11-2016 08:17 AM

I use the Stance(brand) coils and I've been very happy with them. On mildly stretched 225/45/18s the tires tuck about .5 inches. Did get a little rub at steering lock though, like when I am parking so I raised it up a touch

wise345 01-11-2016 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2505056)
I have the RSR Superdowns on a heavy use DD and really like them. The right isn't too harsh and handling is great. On paper they say the drop is approx. 1.2 in front and 1.4 in back but in reality I have more like 1.6 in front and 1.8 in back. At under $300 a set they are a pretty good deal for a quality part.


http://www.rs-r.com/product-category/superdown-springs/

That drop would close off my wheel gap I assume?

Ashikabi 01-11-2016 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wise345 (Post 2505111)
That drop would close off my wheel gap I assume?

Measure your wheel gap. But yeah that will pretty well close it up

Tcoat 01-11-2016 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wise345 (Post 2505111)
That drop would close off my wheel gap I assume?

There is some still there but for DD purposes I didn't want to close it up too much.

wise345 01-11-2016 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2505129)
There is some still there but for DD purposes I didn't want to close it up too much.

I plan on getting some 18s at some point so gap looks about right

ajcarson11 01-11-2016 09:47 AM

Tein Flex Z Coilovers. $750. Amazing comfort (much better than stock, even at the 1.5-1.7" drop you see on my car here).

Worth the comfort, and easily the best coilover package short of $2k

http://s22.postimg.org/7z960zxo1/IMG..._164130863.jpg

Tcoat 01-11-2016 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wise345 (Post 2505141)
I plan on getting some 18s at some point so gap looks about right

If I used some spacers to bring things out a bit more the gap would appear even less but I don't want to be spraying salty slush down the sides any more then I have to so the wheels are tucked in a bit.

Gear_One_Performance 01-11-2016 09:52 AM

The ST's are a fantastic set of coilovers for the price.

wise345 01-11-2016 10:28 AM

Anyone have any experience with Fortune Auto V5 500 series coilovers?

Ashikabi 01-11-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wise345 (Post 2505175)
Anyone have any experience with Fortune Auto V5 500 series coilovers?

The boys over at s2ki love them. If those elitist assholes like them, they must be good

wise345 01-11-2016 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ajcarson11 (Post 2505144)
Tein Flex Z Coilovers. $750. Amazing comfort (much better than stock, even at the 1.5-1.7" drop you see on my car here).

Worth the comfort, and easily the best coilover package short of $2k

http://s22.postimg.org/7z960zxo1/IMG..._164130863.jpg

That's a very good price...

shdobxr 01-11-2016 10:45 AM

Can the Tein's be rebuilt? Also what camber plates / LCA's did you go with? Might be slightly OT, but ....

Doing some research I believe you can align the car with the stock adjusters. This true?


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Lynxis 01-11-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by shdobxr (Post 2505200)
Can the Tein's be rebuilt? Also what camber plates / LCA's did you go with? Might be slightly OT, but ....

Doing some research I believe you can align the car with the stock adjusters. This true?


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IIRC The Flex Z cannot be rebuilt but all other Teins can. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me. It's also my understanding that the Flex Z dampers are cheaper to replace than rebuild anyway.

jawn 01-11-2016 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lynxis (Post 2505225)
IIRC The Flex Z cannot be rebuilt but all other Teins can. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me. It's also my understanding that the Flex Z dampers are cheaper to replace than rebuild anyway.

Yeah, the dampers are sealed inserts, but Tein will sell new ones to you for fairly cheap.

Cole 01-11-2016 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2505056)
I have the RSR Superdowns on a heavy use DD and really like them. The right isn't too harsh and handling is great. On paper they say the drop is approx. 1.2 in front and 1.4 in back but in reality I have more like 1.6 in front and 1.8 in back. At under $300 a set they are a pretty good deal for a quality part.


http://www.rs-r.com/product-category/superdown-springs/

I'm with you on that. But I have the S-Techs by Tein. Think the Tein advertises their drop around the same amount. Still comfy enough, haven't bottomed them out yet, and again, a great deal on them. I paid 250 CAD.

Super happy with them, and the drop is perfect.

ajcarson11 01-11-2016 11:36 AM

Tein's cannot be rebuilt. You instead just buy a new damper and drop it in. Purchasing the new dampers from tein is still cheaper than having any coilover rebuilt, so its a win-win.

The Tein's come with camber plates.

You can only align the TOE with stock adjusters. If you want any camber adjustment you'll have to either buy the teins or buy LCAs (rear) and camber bolts (front).

Throwing this out here as my opinion: With the recent release of the Flex Z, there is very little reason to consider other coilovers for the street. No need to look at fortune 500, ST, etc. None will perform or be as comfortable for a DD. If you are looking to track the car, then you may consider higher priced coilovers, as the Flex Z's springs can be a bit soft (6k).

Shneegle 01-11-2016 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wise345 (Post 2505175)
Anyone have any experience with Fortune Auto V5 500 series coilovers?

I have these on my car now. Only been on for a few weeks. I DD my car and do autox/track. They are nice for DD, not a harsh ride on full soft. I'm looking forward to the start of the season to really test these.

malubawla 01-11-2016 11:55 AM

i also am a huge fan of my tein flex z. you cant beat the price or quality of product

ajcarson11 01-11-2016 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by malubawla (Post 2505307)
i also am a huge fan of my tein flex z. you cant beat the price or quality of product

It's one of those weird products that I just can't recommend enough. I'm not a brand-fan-boy or 'bias' kind of person... but man. I've never had a ride in a car so firm, and yet comfortable at this height.

strat61caster 01-11-2016 12:58 PM

Bilstein B14 can be rebuilt, good for about 2" lower than stock, and can arrive on your doorstep right around $1k. I'd say comfort is near stock levels but with appropriate stiffness added, a little bouncy at times.

wise345 01-11-2016 01:07 PM

Tein flex z is sounding like a front runner

8R6 01-11-2016 01:10 PM

i love my ST's

shellslinger 01-11-2016 01:38 PM

I've had my flex z for approximately 6 months. They're pretty comfortable and they're really confidence inspiring in the canyons. Can't speak about other coil overs as I haven't tried them out.

rosol16 01-11-2016 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2505147)
If I used some spacers to bring things out a bit more the gap would appear even less but I don't want to be spraying salty slush down the sides any more then I have to so the wheels are tucked in a bit.

Old quote but rally armor mudflaps. I love mine and if you don't like the look just use them for winter then take them off a 30 minute install at most.

moK 01-11-2016 08:49 PM

Anyone with the Flex Z know how much of a drop it is out of the box before adjustment?

Tcoat 01-11-2016 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rosol16 (Post 2505904)
Old quote but rally armor mudflaps. I love mine and if you don't like the look just use them for winter then take them off a 30 minute install at most.

Mine comes stock (Canadian spec) with the standard FRS ones. They do the job very well as log as you don't space out too far. and they actually look pretty good as well.

tyler_win_photo 01-13-2016 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by moK (Post 2505940)
Anyone with the Flex Z know how much of a drop it is out of the box before adjustment?

Pretty close to stock height. I would know because I tried installing these before work one day and was only able to get the fronts on... didn't have enough time to adjust the height and well yeah lol.

ajcarson11 01-13-2016 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by moK (Post 2505940)
Anyone with the Flex Z know how much of a drop it is out of the box before adjustment?

1.2" drop out of the box in front, and 1.4" drop in rear in USA


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