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DarkSunrise 01-07-2016 12:29 AM
MT Track Comparison: 2016 Viper ACR vs. 2015 Corvette Z06
 
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qWYJQClIyY"]2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 vs. 2016 Dodge Viper ACR - Head 2 Head Ep. 72 - YouTube[/ame]

Wow I expected the Viper be the quickest at MRLS, but did not expect it to be 2.5 seconds faster than the Vette (and 3 seconds faster than a Porsche GT3 RS). What a dominant showing by the Viper. :clap:

Sideways&Smiling 01-07-2016 09:18 PM
Epic. God damn, I want a Viper ACR.

dem00n 01-07-2016 10:46 PM
I was an Engineering conference where GM was recruiting students. They had a workshop allowing students to view the latest tech and talk about what they do, etc. At the time the Z06 had been out for a while, it was already well known that the Z06 had overheating issues at the track, they kept bragging about how it's be unstoppable and the old car to beat it was a Hyper car (the 918). It was very difficult to hold it in and not ask about the overheating issues or if they were worried about the upcoming ACR. However...part of me is glad to see them put down by the Viper...

Deep Six 01-08-2016 07:16 AM
One of my friends whom I spend a great deal of track time with just brought this home



http://i68.tinypic.com/2hyjuqq.jpg

BRZZZZZZZZZZ 01-08-2016 09:36 AM
I work for GM but if I had the option I would take the Viper, albeit with a different exhaust...

tennisfreak 01-08-2016 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2502020)
Epic. God damn, I want a Viper ACR.
For track yes.

For anything else, hell no.

Did you watch the last half of the video?

Heat, noise, and uncomfortable seats would make that thing terribly unpleasant driving around town.

Don't get me wrong I love the Viper and would take one in a heartbeat but if I had to pick something for the street the Viper would not be my choice.

Sideways&Smiling 01-08-2016 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 2502436)
For track yes.

For anything else, hell no.

Did you watch the last half of the video?

Heat, noise, and uncomfortable seats would make that thing terribly unpleasant driving around town.

Don't get me wrong I love the Viper and would take one in a heartbeat but if I had to pick something for the street the Viper would not be my choice.
Who cares? It's a performance car. I'm not looking for a luxury car. If you notice, it was only one of the two guys complaining about it, and Pobst loved it. Different people, different personalities.

Irace86 01-08-2016 05:19 PM
Viper has less power/tq, right? It weighs 130lbs less, so that helps, but how is it winning?

Like they said the aero package, right? I mean it has a huge, huge wing that wouldn't be allowed at some airports with growths out the bumper that would definitely decapitate any squirrel, and I bet it has more ducks and channels under the car than Venice has under its streets.

Not that any of it detracts from track oriented owners, but it isn't as refined looking because of it, and I believe other cars omit the aero package for that reason, which begs the question: if the Vette or other cars add such flamboyant accessories, would the ACR still be on top?

strat61caster 01-08-2016 06:06 PM
One of those cars looks like it showed up at the last autocross I attended, the other looks like it's a paint job, set of tires, and an hour of interior removal away from competing at Le Mans...

Goes to show that it doesn't take rocket science to set a fast lap, looking at you Mclaren and Porsche.

Edit: Rocket science is the wrong term, I guess I mean fancy overengineering on powertrains as I bet Dodge pulled in some Ferrari wind tunnel experience to complete the Viper.

funwheeldrive 01-08-2016 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tennisfreak (Post 2502436)
For track yes.

For anything else, hell no.

Did you watch the last half of the video?

Heat, noise, and uncomfortable seats would make that thing terribly unpleasant driving around town.

Don't get me wrong I love the Viper and would take one in a heartbeat but if I had to pick something for the street the Viper would not be my choice.
At least it won't overheat on me. :bellyroll:

Lonewolf 01-09-2016 03:31 PM
Turn-key racecars from the factory for "relatively" decent prices...awesome! :clap:

If only I was rich...

Sideways&Smiling 01-09-2016 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irace86 (Post 2503109)
Viper has less power/tq, right? It weighs 130lbs less, so that helps, but how is it winning?

Like they said the aero package, right? I mean it has a huge, huge wing that wouldn't be allowed at some airports with growths out the bumper that would definitely decapitate any squirrel, and I bet it has more ducks and channels under the car than Venice has under its streets.

Not that any of it detracts from track oriented owners, but it isn't as refined looking because of it, and I believe other cars omit the aero package for that reason, which begs the question: if the Vette or other cars add such flamboyant accessories, would the ACR still be on top?
Flamboyant? Really? I'd say flamboyance is caring more about looks than performance. Functional aero creating real downforce = serious performance and better track times.

Irace86 01-09-2016 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2503917)
Flamboyant? Really? I'd say flamboyance is caring more about looks than performance. Functional aero creating real downforce = serious performance and better track times.
If I had that type of money I would keep the 40k difference in price and have a hoot in the z06. If I wanted to best a buddy in a Viper I'm sure I can get a front splitter too, and a giant wing, rear diffuser and front fins for less than 40K, and with 50 extra foot pounds of torque, I'm sure I could win.

Even though the Viper has less weight, it wasn't faster in a quarter mile (it did trap a higher speed), it wasn't faster zero to 60 or faster through the figure 8. The Viper did best it in stopping, but the wing could help the Vette.

At the end of the day, the Vette is a sports car that can be taken to the track. The Viper just doesn't seem in place driving the wife to dinner and a movie. If I wanted to buy a track monster that I could legally drive to the track, I would buy an Atom.

Sideways&Smiling 01-10-2016 12:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irace86 (Post 2504185)
If I had that type of money I would keep the 40k difference in price and have a hoot in the z06. If I wanted to best a buddy in a Viper I'm sure I can get a front splitter too, and a giant wing, rear diffuser and front fins for less than 40K, and with 50 extra foot pounds of torque, I'm sure I could win.

Even though the Viper has less weight, it wasn't faster in a quarter mile (it did trap a higher speed), it wasn't faster zero to 60 or faster through the figure 8. The Viper did best it in stopping, but the wing could help the Vette.

At the end of the day, the Vette is a sports car that can be taken to the track. The Viper just doesn't seem in place driving the wife to dinner and a movie. If I wanted to buy a track monster that I could legally drive to the track, I would buy an Atom.
You could say the same about plenty of other cars cheaper than the z06...

strat61caster 01-10-2016 12:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irace86 (Post 2504185)
If I had that type of money I would keep the 40k difference in price and have a hoot in the z06. If I wanted to best a buddy in a Viper I'm sure I can get a front splitter too, and a giant wing, rear diffuser and front fins for less than 40K, and with 50 extra foot pounds of torque, I'm sure I could win.

Even though the Viper has less weight, it wasn't faster in a quarter mile (it did trap a higher speed), it wasn't faster zero to 60 or faster through the figure 8. The Viper did best it in stopping, but the wing could help the Vette.

At the end of the day, the Vette is a sports car that can be taken to the track. The Viper just doesn't seem in place driving the wife to dinner and a movie. If I wanted to buy a track monster that I could legally drive to the track, I would buy an Atom.
Tires are probably all you need to gain the advantage you're looking for.

jawn 01-10-2016 01:43 AM
I respect the Viper, but I'd still rather own the Corvette.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...gukbg1qjpg.jpg

Irace86 01-10-2016 02:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2504230)
You could say the same about plenty of other cars cheaper than the z06...
I'm no fan boy of the Vette. In fact I hated the C5; it looked like a giant wedge, and because that was the Vette I gree up with the car has never grown on me. But the fact is that the Z06 has been an amazing value for what you get. Find a car that looks as good, has all the comforts it does, but can handle a quarter mile and track days as good for a similar price, and Ill have to reconsider my position. Closest car I can think of is the GTR in terms of best bang for the buck.

Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2504236)
Tires are probably all you need to gain the advantage you're looking for.
Thats true if we are talking race tires but then that wouldnt be street legal and apparently thats the point of this comparison, right? Drive to the track...

ohmai18 01-10-2016 06:35 AM
What about overheating? Just because you put aero on the z06 does not mean we solved the heat issue.

Irace86 01-10-2016 09:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmai18 (Post 2504351)
What about overheating? Just because you put aero on the z06 does not mean we solved the heat issue.
Aero would solve heating. Both have a ram air scoop but the Viper has loovers/vents on the hood and fenders, not to mention the larger grill and exterior opening, which might be for oil coolers and/or brake cooling. This is more GM wanting something less aggressive looking or just a style choice.

strat61caster 01-10-2016 11:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irace86 (Post 2504292)
Thats true if we are talking race tires but then that wouldnt be street legal and apparently thats the point of this comparison, right? Drive to the track...
Oh, I thought we were benchracing with that "extra $40k" you'd save by buying the Chevy.

In any case, I wouldn't mind driving a Z06 on slicks from my house to Laguna Seca, but wouldn't bother and just pick up a tire trailer to drag along, still a lot cheaper than trying to shade tree mechanic an effective aero package.

Irace86 01-11-2016 12:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2504921)
Oh, I thought we were benchracing with that "extra $40k" you'd save by buying the Chevy.

In any case, I wouldn't mind driving a Z06 on slicks from my house to Laguna Seca, but wouldn't bother and just pick up a tire trailer to drag along, still a lot cheaper than trying to shade tree mechanic an effective aero package.
Ya man. You gotta follow the rules when benchracing.

WolfpackS2k 01-12-2016 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irace86 (Post 2504185)
If I had that type of money I would keep the 40k difference in price and have a hoot in the z06. If I wanted to best a buddy in a Viper I'm sure I can get a front splitter too, and a giant wing, rear diffuser and front fins for less than 40K, and with 50 extra foot pounds of torque, I'm sure I could win.



Even though the Viper has less weight, it wasn't faster in a quarter mile (it did trap a higher speed), it wasn't faster zero to 60 or faster through the figure 8. The Viper did best it in stopping, but the wing could help the Vette.



At the end of the day, the Vette is a sports car that can be taken to the track. The Viper just doesn't seem in place driving the wife to dinner and a movie. If I wanted to buy a track monster that I could legally drive to the track, I would buy an Atom.

Or you could just buy a base Viper. Same engine yanno...


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Irace86 01-12-2016 02:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 2506532)
Or you could just buy a base Viper. Same engine yanno...


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Ya the Viper TA and Z06 clocked 1:33 times at Laguna Seca and look much closer in styling. Definitely the preferable cars to compare over the aero happy ACR. Still a decent difference in price.

Again, I wonder how much affect did the wing, diffuser, front splitter, hood louvers and bumper wings have on dropping the ACR times. Five seconds difference is a lot, so was it all just aero grip that took five seconds off the TA time or was it something else?


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