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JDM-dono 06-27-2012 01:17 AM

Anyone worried about chirping/idle/taillight condensation issues?
 
As the thread title says, is anyone worried about these problems discussed in the US thread?

Chirping Issue:
- Noise that is thought to be related to the direct injection system
- But from what I read has been found to be caused by some sort of cam issue
(Someone correct me if I'm wrong because I'm heavily relying on memory)

I just checked the number of ppl experiencing the chirping issue from both 86 & BRZ side, looks like a significant number of ppl are experiencing this issue.

Chirping Issue Thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8678
(Thanks Nardi330 for finding this thread)

86 Chirping Poll Results:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9836

BRZ Chirping Poll Results:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9837


Idle Issue:
- RPMs bouncing up and down during driving and sometimes when turning on some gadgets. (Please glance through the thread for more details)

Idle Issue Thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8285


Taillight Condensation Issue:
- Self-explanatory

Taillight Condensation Thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...l+condensation


I'm tempted to wait until the next batch of BRZs arrived which have this problem remedied. Thoughts?

sticky 06-27-2012 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM-dono (Post 281347)
As the thread title says, is anyone worried about the chirping problem that is being talked about in the US thread?

I just checked the number of ppl experiencing the chirping issue from both 86 & BRZ side, looks like a significant number of ppl are experiencing this issue.

I'm tempted to wait until the next batch of BRZs arrived which have this problem remedied. Thoughts?


EDIT: Just realised I wrote the thread title wrong DOH!. Meant to be "Anyone worried about chirping issue?"

I've been following the issue and I'm a bit worried too - my car is only being built next month so hopefully they can iron out the problem beforehand (like with tail light condensation). The noise isn't specific to manual or auto is it?

PS. You can edit the thread title by going to 'edit' then 'go advanced'

Toy86 06-27-2012 02:24 AM

Very concerned, But getting car around oct so hoping for issue to be resolved.

os86 06-27-2012 02:40 AM

Will have to ask the guys who have taken delivery for feedback.
@Ravine @dangerfield and others who have 86 in possession please report back any unusual chirping sound

JP 06-27-2012 02:45 AM

I'm not worried at all about it.

Nardi330 06-27-2012 03:03 AM

well my car has been built so i can only pray that my baby is fine.

DriftEightSix 06-27-2012 03:07 AM

What is this chirping noise?

ex-gti 06-27-2012 03:14 AM

im not sure if this is the noise u guys are on abt..

when i went for the test drive in a manual gt over at chatswood toyota the other day..

noticed a very significant rumbling noise when the gear was in 2nd and the rpm gets above arnd 3k.. when i asked the salesman he referred to it as an intentional sound to get me to shift up?!?! i thought that was total bs and pointed out to him that it was only in the 2nd gear not in 1st or 3rd etc.

this the sound u guys are talking abt maybe? funny thing is i didnt hear it in the other 2 manual test drives i have been on.

Nardi330 06-27-2012 03:18 AM

this, i assume?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8678

Ravine 06-27-2012 03:19 AM

I haven't noticed anything yet.

Billy2224 06-27-2012 03:45 AM

hmmmmm, long term problems??

jonnyboy 06-27-2012 03:47 AM

Havent noticed anything yet either. Still getting used to the boxer sound and with the direct injection supposedly making noises too I don't know if i'd be able to tell..

Maj3sty 06-27-2012 03:55 AM

I'm not concerned, that's what warranty is for.

JDM-dono 06-27-2012 04:17 AM

Chirping noise is the link Nardi330 put up... thanks for finding that

Just edited the opening post:

The chirping issue is a noise you can think to be associated with noisy direct injection system such as that heard from the Lexus IS series engines.

However, according to much discussion in the US thread, Subaru and Toyota technicians have found that it may be due to cam slipping or perhaps the cam sensor not being accurate:

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteout fr-s (Post 273953)
alright guys,

As I am the first person to actually let Toyobaru technicians fully diagnose my car, Subaru and Toyota sent 2 technicians each from Japan too actually diagnose my engine and these issues we are experiencing.

So, to begin, the issues are NOT normal and need to be fixed. The technicians fixed some valves, readjusted cam angles etc.. but I will get the full repair specs Monday. They are also tracking my car tomorrow and Sunday to get full engine read outs for future FR-S owners. So as of Monday any of you experiencing this problem will have a fix, and a quick one at that.

I have not had my car for a month now because of this but I can tell you that as long as I know that future owners will not experience these problems it was well worth it. Good luck to everyone who has had this issue and if you are still experiencing this please take your cars to the dealership over the next month and your problems should be addressed a lot sooner than mine!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu L Tissimus (Post 272664)
Got a call back from the dealer with my car today. They said they did what Subaru of America told them to do - "check the angle of the camshaft, and replace the oil control valves" - and they say it's running fine now after putting some miles on it. I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow and we'll see!

(I'm pretty sure that's what the guy on the phone said, but I'm not an engine guy.)

Also, there turns out to be an idle issue present among the members where the idles just dip and raise due to turning on the A/C amongst other gadgets.

Nafe 06-27-2012 04:33 AM

Idle dip and raise with air cons witching on is nothing abnormal, especially on smaller engines. There is load added/taken away from the engine when this happens, so of course it will have a slight affect on the idle.

JDM-dono 06-27-2012 04:45 AM

^ Yup, not so much worried about this. But quite worried about the chirping issue.

Nafe 06-27-2012 04:52 AM

Yeah, that seems a little more serious.

dangerfield 06-27-2012 08:21 AM

I haven't had any problems so far, but I'll keep you guys updated if anything does happen. *knocks on wood*

Stu L Tissimus 06-27-2012 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM-dono (Post 281588)
However, according to much discussion in the US thread, Subaru and Toyota technicians have found that it may be due to cam slipping or perhaps the cam sensor not being accurate:

Hi there,
Please don't put words in other peoples' mouths. I brought the car in for the idle issue; I've noticed absolutely zero chirping. These may be separate issues. Thanks!

EDIT: to the guy below who said 'wat,' in this post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=14 , the guy says that the camshaft / oil valve replacement were for the chirping issue. They were not.

spiller 06-27-2012 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu L Tissimus (Post 281917)
Hi there,
Please don't put words in other peoples' mouths. I brought the car in for the idle issue; I've noticed absolutely zero chirping. These may be separate issues. Thanks!

wat?

RZ86 06-27-2012 11:22 AM

Ah balls. I thought this was normal.... so yep, mine has this issue. I'll be speaking to toyota tomorrow.

JDM-dono 06-27-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu L Tissimus (Post 281917)
Hi there,
Please don't put words in other peoples' mouths. I brought the car in for the idle issue; I've noticed absolutely zero chirping. These may be separate issues. Thanks!

EDIT: to the guy below who said 'wat,' in this post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=14 , the guy says that the camshaft / oil valve replacement were for the chirping issue. They were not.

No worries Stu L Tissimus, like I said in the opening post I was heavily relying on memory. All I'm doing is informing the Australian 86/BRZ community about this issue. I'm not exactly up to date with this topic.

Btw, if it isn't an camshaft/oil valve replacement issue then can you please inform us as to what the problem is? Looks like you know what's going on.

In terms of chirping issue vs idle issue I put them separately under two different bold headings in hope of informing ppl that they may be perhaps two different issues, hope that clears it up.

Satu23 06-28-2012 09:03 AM

So far i haven't had any chirping or idling issues... in my 86 at the moment. Have done 500km so far. Build date for my 86 was April

Idles regularly around 600-800 rpm, and when first starting up around 1.2k

testing when going 70-80km and slowing down for red light and shifting into neutral and clutch out. At first, when close to stopping it drops to about 1k then does a mini dip to about 800 and back up again, once stopped waiting for a little for the lights to change it idle's around 600-700.

So far no issues for me and i hope it stays that way :)

Quite scary though considering the link to the US one where whiteout's FRS died :(

Nezz 06-28-2012 09:13 AM

Kinda wondering if the TRD taillights will experience the same issue, I was thinking about nabbing a set...

w arghh x 06-28-2012 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satu23 (Post 284125)
So far i haven't had any chirping or idling issues... in my 86 at the moment. Have done 500km so far. Build date for my 86 was April

Idles regularly around 600-800 rpm, and when first starting up around 1.2k

testing when going 70-80km and slowing down for red light and shifting into neutral and clutch out. At first, when close to stopping it drops to about 1k then does a mini dip to about 800 and back up again, once stopped waiting for a little for the lights to change it idle's around 600-700.

So far no issues for me and i hope it stays that way :)

My wrx runs exactly like this, so I doubt you will have the same issues as the US guys.

Does anyone know what difference there is in the fuel quality between the US and AUS??
Seems odd that they run 91/93 octane yet we are told to run 98 (95 at a minimum)

ahausheer 06-28-2012 10:06 AM

Lets also keep in mind there is a warranty and ALL cars have all kinds of weird issues. Pick the most reliable car you can think of and then find its service bulletins and or recalls. They all have them and they all have a horror story here and there. The issue is the percentage of cars that have them and Toyota and Subaru are typically very very good is this respect. I am not concerned but I will stay up to date on issues that others are having. Its basically putting your faith in statistics.

Stu L Tissimus 06-28-2012 11:46 AM

That's quite alright, I didn't want anybody to be misinformed is all :)

HER86 07-19-2012 08:04 AM

I've noticed some serious condensation in my tail lights every morning ( i'll try to take a photo tomorrow) that seems to go away by the time I get to work and look at the again. Has anyone else in Aus noticed this problem? Should I be concerned and talking to my dealer?

Matthung 07-19-2012 09:06 AM

mine has done about 900km and i haven't had any chirping noise issue.

the car does dip when slowing down and coming to a stop however it comes back up straight away.

tibsy92 07-20-2012 07:55 AM

Already done 2600km.
Chirping seems to be normal on boxers, my mates 2007 wrx seems does it as well and he has 95000km My previous 2011 vw made chirping sounds cos it was water cooled, that's what a mate and the mechanic both told me.
Weird idle has happened both with aircon on and off. Had this issue before due to the vacuum line on the intake and also when I disconnected and reconnected the battery and the ecu had to relearn the data on previous car
Now it appears the ecu has learned data values and the idle has calmed down a bit and drops slightly every few minutes or so when sitting in traffic.

Condensation issue appears more so, after its first wash the water collected in both tail lights and slowly trickled out.. dealers are aware apparently and have a fix for it.

So I'm not really concerned about them as I think I was just being an overworried parent of my baby..

sirus 07-20-2012 08:48 AM

No issues for me regarding chirping or condensation or idle dip so far. 1300km on the odo.

Type[R]+ 07-21-2012 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w arghh x (Post 284185)
Does anyone know what difference there is in the fuel quality between the US and AUS??
Seems odd that they run 91/93 octane yet we are told to run 98 (95 at a minimum)

USA measure their octane rating different to the way we do. We just use the RON number. US use the anti-knock number (RON+MON)/2.

Theirs is a better representation of fuel quality, but as you know, it doesn't really matter......

Aussie 95 = US ~91
Aussie 98 = US ~93


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