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RichardsFRS 12-23-2015 10:53 AM

Scion FRS turbo 2017
 
I've seen the pics, I've read but is it really going to happen. And the BRZ they are thinking about 300hp and it looks like a BRZ mixed with WRX

I thought maybe these cars are dying off because of the bad sales?

http://www.autocarnewshq.com/2017-sc...specification/

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...firmed-america

That scoobie is sweet looking, I hope both cars find their way to the market because there such great cars

go_a_way1 12-23-2015 10:57 AM

:popcorn:


Oh man I better go make some more popcorn for later

MisterSheep 12-23-2015 11:03 AM

Not this again..................

Summerwolf 12-23-2015 11:04 AM

Popcorn popped.


Seriously though, if that blue STI brz came in at ~35K I would drive it. That would be corvette performance (basically) as a baseline.


http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/def...?itok=H8_nbHQQ

jawn 12-23-2015 11:05 AM

The only thing confirmed is that a 2017 model will happen, and it'll probably have new bumpers and tail lights. The end.

YamahaR86 12-23-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2489153)
I've seen the pics, I've read but is it really going to happen. And the BRZ they are thinking about 300hp and it looks like a BRZ mixed with WRX

I thought maybe these cars are dying off because of the bad sales?

http://www.autocarnewshq.com/2017-sc...specification/

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...firmed-america

That scoobie is sweet looking, I hope both cars find their way to the market because there such great cars

Concepts again. All talk.

Toyota's newest concept car is the S-FR which they stated would be below the gt86/FRS in terms of HP and extra room. Why would they further that gap by adding a turbo when they stated, "Hey, here's a new car that we're thinking about, if you want to step it up a notch go for our other car the FR-S".

Why would Subaru make a "WRX Lookalike?" The 2016 WRX's are already 268-305 HP so it would make no sense to make a car that is in the same HP range. If anything, I'd think they'd bring the hothatch back for those who prefer the Sedan vs Hatch.

ichitaka05 12-23-2015 11:09 AM

Click bait?

YamahaR86 12-23-2015 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 2489187)
Click bait?

What I assumed as well. The article is poorly written when I skimmed through it.

ichitaka05 12-23-2015 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 2489189)
What I assumed as well. The article is poorly written when I skimmed through it.

I figured. Someone posted the BRZ STI Concept, so I'm assuming other article used Scion FR-S Concept or GRMN FT-86 Concept (aka Mk1.5) as their photos on their article.

Kinda funny that, BRZ STI Concept using EJ207 engine... so not sure it's wise of them to go back to EJ engine instead of FA engine.

mazeroni 12-23-2015 11:17 AM

The only reason I am replying is the entertainment I got from the "http://www.autocarnewshq.com/2017-scion-frs-turbo-specification/" link. This is a wonderful demonstration of how you can choose to approach SEO. First, buy a domain that will track high on google. Next, buy a pieces of software that tracks the amount of people searching for a specific set of keywords. After that, give the software access to your domain where it then generates pages using keyword phrases to separate out the content with header tags. Then, the software mines Google for content and images to fill in beneath the head tags. Finally, it 'spins it together' into the amalgam of shit we see before us. As opposed to actually hiring someone to produce original, quality content.

The key here is the website cost almost zilch to set up, the content is stolen from other websites, doesn't make any sense, and every once in a while someone will click an advertisement. The person/ company probably has hundreds or thousands of these sites bringing in a few dollars a day and they make a living. Anyway, this is how lazy people approach SEO.

I love it!

NyC Zn6 12-23-2015 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2489177)
Popcorn popped.


Seriously though, if that blue STI brz came in at ~35K I would drive it. That would be corvette performance (basically) as a baseline.


http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/def...?itok=H8_nbHQQ

if they ever produced it i would estimate around $40K

MisterSheep 12-23-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 2489193)
I figured. Someone posted the BRZ STI Concept, so I'm assuming other article used Scion FR-S Concept or GRMN FT-86 Concept (aka Mk1.5) as their photos on their article.

Kinda funny that, BRZ STI Concept using EJ207 engine... so not sure it's wise of them to go back to EJ engine instead of FA engine.

It isn't smart at all. They wouldn't and shouldnt go back to the EJ series. The EJ257s that we got here in the states have always been a P.O.S engine. Honestly this is another one of those clickbait motoring.au threads that has no research no credibility.

Eighty 6 12-23-2015 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2489153)
I've seen the pics, I've read but is it really going to happen. And the BRZ they are thinking about 300hp and it looks like a BRZ mixed with WRX

I thought maybe these cars are dying off because of the bad sales?

http://www.autocarnewshq.com/2017-sc...specification/

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...firmed-america

That scoobie is sweet looking, I hope both cars find their way to the market because there such great cars


:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

KR-S 12-23-2015 11:31 AM

http://rs1186.pbsrc.com/albums/z365/...h=480&fit=clip

http://crossfitgreenpoint.com/wp-con...uter-Smash.gif

MrAnthonyC 12-23-2015 11:35 AM

https://i.imgflip.com/ung8i.jpg

RichardsFRS 12-23-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 2489183)
Concepts again. All talk.

Toyota's newest concept car is the S-FR which they stated would be below the gt86/FRS in terms of HP and extra room. Why would they further that gap by adding a turbo when they stated, "Hey, here's a new car that we're thinking about, if you want to step it up a notch go for our other car the FR-S".

Why would Subaru make a "WRX Lookalike?" The 2016 WRX's are already 268-305 HP so it would make no sense to make a car that is in the same HP range. If anything, I'd think they'd bring the hothatch back for those who prefer the Sedan vs Hatch.


Because the WRX is ugly and this car isn't. It may appeal to the non rally car racer. Also someone wanting this car would walk right past a WRX

Summerwolf 12-23-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NyC Zn6 (Post 2489210)
if they ever produced it i would estimate around $40K



I'd still buy it.


If the new FT-1 / Supra comes in 44-50 that's what I'm truly excited for.

RichardsFRS 12-23-2015 11:40 AM

I don't even know what have the antonyms you people are using mean. SEO? I don't give a shit if you click it or not. I'm sitting here in my office on vacation, looking at FRS's on the internet. I found that one and it looks pretty good to me. If you think I want you to click it, I could care less if you do. Makes no difference to me.

Sorry this was brought up before. I didn't know

Tcoat 12-23-2015 11:41 AM

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KR-S 12-23-2015 11:47 AM

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Eighty 6 12-23-2015 11:47 AM

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MisterSheep 12-23-2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2489240)
Sorry this was brought up before. I didn't know

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...e-new-here.png

RichardsFRS 12-23-2015 11:55 AM

Must be, but I am schooled now, like the monks in the truck schooled Sunny last week in Into the Bad Lands

mazeroni 12-23-2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2489240)
I don't even know what have the antonyms you people are using mean. SEO? I don't give a shit if you click it or not. I'm sitting here in my office on vacation, looking at FRS's on the internet. I found that one and it looks pretty good to me. If you think I want you to click it, I could care less if you do. Makes no difference to me.

Sorry this was brought up before. I didn't know

Lets talk about ricer wings instead

I am not accusing you of anything. Just commenting on the link. How search engine optimization works (SEO) is you search for a term or phrase in a search engine, like Google. Google has an algorithm that determines what websites should be displayed based on your words you used. This information is readily accessible to anyone.

People/ companies compete for top position in these search engines because most people are likely to click those links, see your content, or buy a product.

So someone with SEO knowledge will build content to increase the likelihood that someone will click through to their website. There are many ways to boost content. Some of it ethical and some of it not. Google, Bing, Yahoo, are not perfect. They continually try to sniff out websites like the one you posted but people are always getting more clever.

So what this person did was use available information to see there are many people searching for specific terms like 'new FR-S,' '2017 Fr-s,' et al, and designed and built a website around that on a domain about cars. On that specific page, advertisements are displayed based on your Amazon search history, for example. The only reason the page about a 2017 FR-S exists is to get you to click through and click an ad. It isn't meant to be informative. In that way it is shit. In another way, the owner is making money so who cares.

I for one like ricer wings.

86geek 12-23-2015 11:57 AM

sips my coffee slowly so I don't spit it out on my monitor......:popcorn:

MisterSheep 12-23-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2489274)
Must be, but I am schooled now, like the monks in the truck schooled Sunny last week in Into the Bad Lands

It's okay. You'll soon learn that in this forum and anything you find about "rumors" for the FRS/BRZ/86 just remember you can't believe most of the things you hear. The ZN6 platform is a great platform but people always hate on it for it's power and try to make up some crazy rumor about a more hp version. The only thing I would believe is anything release from Toyota or Subaru, not any of these 3rd party sites.

YamahaR86 12-23-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2489228)
Because the WRX is ugly and this car isn't. It may appeal to the non rally car racer. Also someone wanting this car would walk right past a WRX

So the WRX in your opinion is ugly, yet it remains one of the most popular cars sold. In this case lets make something similar to what I don't like! Yeah... that makes sense.

The only possibility I see this happening if it's a special limited edition like the new Ford Focus RS which retails for $35k+ but some dealerships are marking them way up since they're limited production.

So if they increase the power, they'll increase the pricing of the car and have to compete against a totally different market of cars in the $35k+ range and power.

RichardsFRS 12-23-2015 12:02 PM

I don't hate the car for its power or lack of, I love it for everything else it can do and does very well. I've had power cars but they weren't as fun as this car. Power cars only get ya so far in traffic and everyday driving. That's why the Cayman is such a hit

YamahaR86 12-23-2015 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2489280)
It's okay. You'll soon learn that in this forum and anything you find about "rumors" for the FRS/BRZ/86 just remember you can't believe most of the things you hear. The ZN6 platform is a great platform but people always hate on it for it's power and try to make up some crazy rumor about a more hp version. The only thing I would believe is anything release from Toyota or Subaru, not any of these 3rd party sites.

NEW SUPRA!?

MisterSheep 12-23-2015 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 2489290)
NEW SUPRA!?

no. The t-top convertible AWD hybrid turbo frs with 350hp.

Summerwolf 12-23-2015 12:05 PM

The car is slow. If they fixed that from the factory they would have a bigger seller than they do now.

Summerwolf 12-23-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 2489290)
NEW SUPRA!?



2017!!!!!! Maybe..... or not.

fumanchu1 12-23-2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardsFRS (Post 2489240)
I don't even know what have the antonyms you people are using mean. SEO? I don't give a shit if you click it or not. I'm sitting here in my office on vacation, looking at FRS's on the internet. I found that one and it looks pretty good to me. If you think I want you to click it, I could care less if you do. Makes no difference to me.

Sorry this was brought up before. I didn't know

Lets talk about ricer wings instead

Thing is this is brought up weekly by forum newbies, people with a few post going oh look I found the new turbo jet engine, awd, limited special sti edition, azorora jesus camping brz that will be released in 20xx(insert any number) and have over 9000hp.


That is why some members get real annoyed real fast with these types of thread, we have seen hundreds of them (and no sadly I'm not exaggerating)

Summerwolf 12-23-2015 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2489302)
Thing is this is brought up weekly by forum newbies, people with a few post going oh look I found the new turbo jet engine, awd, limited special sti edition, azorora jesus camping brz that will be released in 20xx(insert any number) and have over 9000hp.


That is why some members get real annoyed real fast with these types of thread, we have seen hundreds of them (and no sadly I'm not exaggerating)



I joined in January and feel like it comes up at least bi-weekly.

YamahaR86 12-23-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2489310)
I joined in January and feel like it comes up at least bi-weekly.

I feel like it's a chain of events.

Friends who drive the car - "It needs more power!!"

Reviewers who drive the car - "It needs more power!" "Today we review the turbocharged version" "Last week we reviewed the turbo'd version, but how does the supercharged version compare?" "This engine swapped version is a killer".

Which lead to people writing rumor articles, newbies fall for the clickbaits and link it to others.

fumanchu1 12-23-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2489296)
The car is slow. If they fixed that from the factory they would have a bigger seller than they do now.

They wouldn't because it wouldn't be a sub 30k car anymore, it would be above 40k car and at that pricetag a lot of people who own one would have either, not been able to afford it (it is aimed at the young crowd after all) or would have chosen something else. At least that is my opinion, most people just like to talk shit and make themselves look cool/important. I'd buy one if it had more power (you can't even afford one now joe stfu; you can't even handle the power it currently has; you own a 2002 civic and you think it's fast please just go away bob) I've generalized but a lot of people just like the sound of their own voices and know nothing of the car yet feel like their opinion based on nothing should be seen as the definitive truth (this is not aimed at anyone in particular, just what I have noticed from the it needs more power crowd that has never owned or ridden in a twin)

MisterSheep 12-23-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2489241)

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Originally Posted by KR-S 86 (Post 2489257)

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Tcoat 12-23-2015 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2489296)
The car is slow. If they fixed that from the factory they would have a bigger seller than they do now.

BS on both counts.
Not the fastest out there no but certainly not "slow". You want a pedal masher you buy a pedal masher.
The "more power bro" crowd may be a vocal minority but that does not mean they will sell more. The local dealership sales manager was telling me they can't sell the things because so many people test drive it and complain that it is too powerful and scares them. Not everybody that looks at buying them grew up on F&F, Initial D and video games and therefore think it is "slow".

Summerwolf 12-23-2015 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2489314)
They wouldn't because it wouldn't be a sub 30k car anymore, it would be above 40k car and at that pricetag a lot of people who own one would have either, not been able to afford it (it is aimed at the young crowd after all) or would have chosen something else. At least that is my opinion, most people just like to talk shit and make themselves look cool/important. I'd buy one if it had more power (you can't even afford one now joe stfu; you can't even handle the power it currently has; you own a 2002 civic and you think it's fast please just go away bob) I've generalized but a lot of people just like the sound of their own voices and know nothing of the car yet feel like their opinion based on nothing should be seen as the definitive truth (this is not aimed at anyone in particular, just what I have noticed from the it needs more power crowd that has never owned or ridden in a twin)



IDK, you have people like me who was salivating at the car when it first dropped and went and test drove the first manual one I saw and walked away from it. It wasn't impressive on a test drive. I think they could put more HP in to the car from the factory. The car needs it. The price is already well above what they were aiming for originally and it just keeps getting higher with all the features (some required) that keep getting added in to the package.

Summerwolf 12-23-2015 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2489317)
BS on both counts.
Not the fastest out there no but certainly not "slow". You want a pedal masher you buy a pedal masher.
The "more power bro" crowd may be a vocal minority but that does not mean they will sell more. The local dealership sales manager was telling me they can't sell the things because so many people test drive it and complain that it is too powerful and scares them. Not everybody that looks at buying them grew up on F&F, Initial D and video games and therefore think it is "slow".



Its a slow car. At anything but a corner or windy road this thing is a lazy dog when it is stock. Lets be real. As far as selling it, that's an opinion. I returned the keys from my first test drive and said it was too slow. So, all a matter of opinion there.


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