Project Engineer hints at weight of roughly 2700lbs
 

Thought this info was interesting enough to deserve it's own thread:

http://www.insideline.com/subaru/sub...rformance.html

Please follow link to inside line for full article.

Subaru unveiled the sub-Impreza sized chassis today at the 2011 Geneva Auto Show and followed that up with a private press briefing with project engineer Toshio Masuda to reveal a bit more about the car's technology:

"Masuda is not ready to offer a final weight on the sports car, but says it's approximately 20 percent lighter than the Subaru Impreza STI.

Will the sports car ever offer all-wheel drive? It is possible. So is a turbo verison, says Masuda. "We have no concrete plan about a turbo, but we are open in the future."



Curb weight for 2011 STi is 3373lbs for five door and 3384 for 4 door so according to this we can assume Subie version of FT-86II to weigh roughly: 2700lbs

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Your right, and even at 15% its still ~2850. Which isn't as nice as the 2700 but still. If Sube can make it 2700-2850, Toyota can make it even lighter.

2700 lbs!!!!! that's pretty good!!!!

It's a bit unrealistic with all safety equipments, but I could be wrong. Maybe 2800lb?

^ I think you'd be better off to trust one of the project engineers than your own opinion... Unless of course, you ARE an engineer and have worked on the FT86.... :)

Agreed with everyone else that 2700lb's is pretty amazing, and if anything I think the Toyota version will be slightly lighter (2600-2650lb's)!

SNAP!! :bellyroll:

I know 2700lb is possible, but I want be a little bit more pessimistic.

2700 is already pushing it imo, especially for what this car is modeled after AND its size.

AE86 - 2200 lbs (USDM)

If the FT-86 comes in at 2700 lbs, then Toyota has already missed the mark. Compliment the extra weight with all the power you want, it'll still feel like a tank going through corners compared to my AE86.

Yes, I'm being a bit too critical. I can settle at 2600. Any more though and I'll be sad panda face big time.

i'm as big a fan of the original hachi as anyone here but i'm also more of a pessimist and a realist. you're comparing the FT to a 25 year old car with 25 year old crash safety tech, zero body rigidity and a 1.6 liter motor. current crash safety standards require all new cars to be built like tanks. blame the politicians.

I'm sat with 2700, 2600-2650 will be a big plus, especially if the offer a turbo around 250-300bhp... See getting all excited again

Looks like its going to be a better car than an S2000...and cheaper.
And s2000 is already very fast and fun.

Blargh! I just realized my math was slightly off.....slightly.

2200 is the weight, roughly, of the GT-Apex model Japanese 86's, the heaviest of the series (coming with every option available), and that's closer to 2150.

The USDM spec was closer to 2400-2450, due to stricter U.S. crash safety regulations....hahahaha, I scared myself for no reason. I guess 2700 is reasonable......
I coughed out that last statement fyi.:bellyroll: 2700 sounds so heavy.

:bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll: this made me lol.

2700 for the Subie version so we can assume the Toyota version might be even lighter! I'm cool with that even though the CA models will be the heaviest due to all the extra emissions equipment. :thumbdown:

Actually all Americans suffer the extra weight due to CA emissions. Its not really all that cost effective to make an emission setup for 1 state (and how many others have modeled EXACTLY like it) and then another for the rest. They just make 'em all the same emission setup....at least they used to. I don't really work on new Yotas, so I wouldn't know.
Just know my 4AGE is a 4A-GEC, C denoting cali emissions.


Thanks you bunch of hippie assholes.

Not that unrealistic. The S14-S15 Silvia's were about 8-10 inches longer but weighed 2700-2800 lbs. Dunno how much safety regs changed since then, but don't think it's impossible. My guess would be closer to 2800 though.

wait wait...why is everyone assuming the toyota version would be lighter than the subaru version?!? they're twins!

The C.A.R.B laws seems to get stricter every year but I haven't been keeping tabs. The last I remember was CA models cars had an extra cat and less hp compared to vehicles outside CA.

I'm only assuming it based on if the NA is for the Toyota and the turbo version for the Subaru. I hope they offer both though.

2700lbs not bad considering most sports car wheel base 104"+ are around 3,000lbs+, if i can cut 200lbs on this car im set

Ew how can you take it seriously if the article AGAIN said the car might be awd, and after everything that was seen at Geneva yesterday..

If they can manage < 2800 lbs and squeeze over 250 out of a 2.5 DI boxer, we may have a decent car on our hands. Better still, offer a TRD blower or turbo and bump it up to 300+ for those who have the cash.

If this thing can't at least blow the doors off of a scion tC, they will collect dust at the dealership. Kids can buy Mustangs for 22K that would eat this thing alive.

Toyota -- are you listening? Give this car at least 1 bhp per 10 lbs of weight or you will regret it.

Sir, read the info in Subaru threat. It's 2.0L, sir, not 2.5L.

what the....

2700 is what i previously predicted.. thats not too heavy considering how heavy new cars are. the only new car lighter than that I can think of is a honda civic 2630lbs.

Hahahaha, I'd just keep your 350z if I were you jordo.

Hopefully no one on this forum weighs more than 200 lbs...

2630 for a 140hp/130tq.

We want 2630 with 200+hp/~140tq

Civic Si weighs 2886 and is 200hp, which is probably a better comparison. Take out the sunroof and maybe you're at 2840. But it's also 8 inches longer, 1.5 inches more narrow, and 3.5 inches taller... who knows what that comes out to, lol.

Well it might be 2630 with an empty gas tank LOL

How do you get 2886?? Everything I find is 2950-3300lbs?

I wouldn't trust it though, I think its a bit heavier than that. Maybe not though -- everything I know is getting challenged!

all I see is on honda's official site 2011 honda civic Si 2895lbs
bah who cares about that car anyway ...

I thought a 2.5 was still a possiblity? Definitely only a 2.0? I didn't think that was confirmed.

This would probably be parked next to, rather than in place of, the Z... :D

D'oh!

I agree with Jordo, this car "SHOULD" be equipped with 2.5 DI engine

because if not, then Toyota wasted alot of money designing an aggressive body and in the end its just 2.0L?? Oh please Toyota, What was your plan?

At the same price, I can get a slightly used Mustang and eat FT alive at any time of the day

Yep.

I am not a fan of the new Mustangs or Camaors, BUT, they are cheap, they are fast, they are more nimble than people think, and the kids fvcking looooove them.

Toyota is smart to bring an affordable sports car into the mix -- but they would be fools to ignore what they'll be competing with at the same price for the business of a bunch of kids who have only a limited appreciation for lightweight rattling death traps :bellyroll:

And that is why there are pretty much no lightweight, high reving, underpowered cars that excel in handling and braking over straight line aceleration in production anymore -- no one wanted them.

They probably make a turbo version. Why don't you wait for the production before you pass judgment?

Ban.

Next time, try looking up, STI S series and how many L engine w how well it perform before stating that

Sigh...

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