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rosol16 11-30-2015 05:41 AM

Well this happened
 
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Last Wednesday I was involved in a wreck in my 2013 Brz. I have had the car for less than a month and already have done some serious damage to it. I was changing lanes at about 45 mph, I had my signal on for at least 150 ft before I changed lanes. A woman was accelerating much faster than I expected her to be (doing over the speed limit) and clipped my right rear as I was changing lanes. They gave me the ticket for unsafe lane change as I have no way of proving how fast she was doing even though she admitted she as accelerating. I was just wondering how much do you think this is going to cost me? Sorry if this is in the wrong place. Insurance is covering this obviously and the air bags deployed. I'm worried that the car will never be the same if it is repaired.

Stang70Fastback 11-30-2015 07:37 AM

Jesus... how quickly do you change lanes?! You set the airbag off and everything... That's a lot of damage for a lane change collision! If I were to blindly change lanes into someone it wouldn't be more than a light bump, at best, lol.

rosol16 11-30-2015 07:44 AM

It wasn't a fast lane change at all I was mid change when she hit me she was doing well over 50mph at least and the car spun at least 720 into the lot off the road on the right. I was surprised that the airbag went off as well as it seemed like such a low force impact. I also didn't blindly change lanes I checked the blind spot at least twice she was just in such a huge hurry

Justin.b 11-30-2015 08:24 AM

You're going to have to check with the adjuster on that. It could be anywhere from $3000 to a write-off.

-Justin

Weigaldo 11-30-2015 08:40 AM

Long story short: take it to who your insurance wants you to, get it quoted, ask for the money, and take it to the best shop you can. My '13 CRZ was never the same afterwards because the shop was garbage and I got tired of taking it back for them to get it right (granted a normal person wouldn't care as much about a mm off here and a paint fleck there). If you care to read , this same accident happened to me in April this year. Checked the right lane, no one but a truck way back. Turned on my signal, cleared the intersection, and went to change lanes. I get clipped by a guy in a pos Impala that decided to change lanes behind me and try to accelerate past me, ignoring the fact that I was signaling and waiting to change after the intersection. Even the cop said his story didn't add up, but because there was no way to prove anything, we both got tickets and I was put more at fault... He probably didn't even get the car repaired considering his bumpers were already hanging off and his driver side door was smashed in (which he also tried to blame on me, but the cop acknowledged there was no way it could've happened). His story was he honked at me, but I changed lanes anyway. Cop asked him if he had time to honk, why didn't he brake. He said I changed lanes too fast, at "I don't know, like 35(mph)"... Cop gives him a look, then he magically needs a translator because he's confused after cussing me out in perfect English right after the accident. Then he shows up in court for his ticket with a lawyer. Once he realizes the judge isn't falling for his BS, he starts mumbling so much his lawyer (who speaks his language) can't even understand him. Judge dismisses my ticket, but insurance doesn't care about that... The system works.

KR-S 11-30-2015 09:00 AM

Totaled. I'm not joking.

About that unsafe lane change, I recall another forum member who was in the position of the car that struck you. He was also driving straight and struck a car making a lane change. The police cited the other driver for unsafe lane change and said something along the lines of "I don't care if he was doing 100 MPH, you still need to look out." The same reasoning could be applied here.

From what I read, it seems as if you misjudged the rate of speed she was going. Honestly, I'd be pissed knowing she was speeding and received no citation, but couldn't you have noticed how fast she was going in your passenger rear view mirror?

Sideways 11-30-2015 09:07 AM

This sucks. I hope you get your car fixed just the way it was before. I'm always worried about changing lane in my BRZ as it sits low and have lots of blind spot.

Markiv 11-30-2015 10:23 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Jal57t5h.jpg

Mine got side swiped while parked on the street. The adjuster quoted it at $5600.

Summerwolf 11-30-2015 10:41 AM

Its fixable, but now you're upside down in a brand new car with diminished value and it will most likely always have some kind of issue you notice.


That sucks. It should only cost you your deductible and the insurance spike really.

perryair 11-30-2015 05:06 PM

its a little late but i'd suggest always setting your sideview mirrors way past how most people set them. if you set them so that as you scan the rearview and hit the end of either side, you pick up immediately at that spot from your sideview, and at the moment your sideview stops as you scan forward, you should be able to see object at the edge of your peripheral vision, and repeat of the other side for basically a 360 degree view. this has saved my ass quite a few times, you don't need 3 rearview mirrors, you need to be able to see when someone is in or accelerating into your blind spot.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...id-blind-spots

smotonaga 11-30-2015 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Markiv (Post 2465961)
http://i.imgur.com/Jal57t5h.jpg

Mine got side swiped while parked on the street. The adjuster quoted it at $5600.

Looks like you were running from a Velociraptor and it clawed the side of your car...

carma143 11-30-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by smotonaga (Post 2466379)
Looks like you were running from a Velociraptor and it clawed the side of your car...

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Rem...f2_2474601.jpg

rosol16 11-30-2015 05:43 PM

YEa
 
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2465965)
Its fixable, but now you're upside down in a brand new car with diminished value and it will most likely always have some kind of issue you notice.


That sucks. It should only cost you your deductible and the insurance spike really.

I planned on keeping the car for its lifespan as I plan on going forced induction. I'm requesting Diminished value appraisal or whatever its called. Guess we will have to see I can't get my vehicle into the shop until almost Christmas as I work during the hours the shop is open

acetothermus 11-30-2015 05:54 PM

Man that is some serious damage for a "love tap."

It always cracks me up when you see people do that shit....speeding up when they see you indicating to change lanes...Those are typically the ones that cut you off and then immediately slow down to a minimum of 10 MPH under the speed limit. And they wonder why road rage is a thing...

Anyway, hope they fix it to like new...but it sucks because no matter what, you'll always see the damage. :(

Justin.b 11-30-2015 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rosol16 (Post 2466420)
I planned on keeping the car for its lifespan as I plan on going forced induction. I'm requesting Diminished value appraisal or whatever its called. Guess we will have to see I can't get my vehicle into the shop until almost Christmas as I work during the hours the shop is open

If the accident is your fault in the eyes of insurance, then you are the one (in their eyes) who diminished the value of your own vehicle.

It may be worth a shot if the other guy's insurance were paying for this, but any extra nickel you get out of the insurance company today is going to cost you a dime in the long run.

-Jsutin

Turbo95eg6 11-30-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Markiv (Post 2465961)
http://i.imgur.com/Jal57t5h.jpg

Mine got side swiped while parked on the street. The adjuster quoted it at $5600.

That's some jurtasic park type shit up in there

JEDI 11-30-2015 08:59 PM

It pains me to see all this damage. Sorry to the few and high hopes insurance doesn't hose ya. I see this on a daily basis heading eastbound I10E and the 110n or s split. Ive had at least had 5 close calls and I was so glad I never committed to lane change. Your signal maybe on, you may be doing everything right, but the other d'bags around don't give a shit and probably don't have insurance. I don't know if its just me, old age, etc.. but I see a shitload of cars in downtown LA with this kind of damage. Hopefully soon you'll be back in your BRZ. Rant over

totopo 11-30-2015 10:07 PM

If you change lanes and there is an incident, it's always your fault. Doubly so that you hit their car with the side of your car. Take this as a lesson and use your mirrors better and yield properly. It might not seem fair in your eyes but thems the rules.

PWBRZ 11-30-2015 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by totopo (Post 2466642)
If you change lanes and there is an incident, it's always your fault. Doubly so that you hit their car with the side of your car. Take this as a lesson and use your mirrors better and yield properly. It might not seem fair in your eyes but thems the rules.

Unfortunately quite true. I'm always amazed with the inflexible, cut-n-dry nature of some traffic laws. If the op had changed lanes even quicker and completed the lane change before getting hit then I suppose it would be a 'hit from behind' scenario and the op would not be at fault..?

Trust86 11-30-2015 10:40 PM

damn bro i want to cry for you :(
shit happens, life's a bitch but don't worry the brz still loves you

rosol16 11-30-2015 11:03 PM

In the end its a car its replaceable it just sucks

GeorgeJFrick 11-30-2015 11:33 PM

Don't worry bro, you can DIY it:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3AyCXISNSs"]Plan B BRZ Pt 3 - Replacing Rear Quarter Panel Pt 1 - YouTube[/ame]

rosol16 12-01-2015 06:04 PM

hmmm
 
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Originally Posted by GeorgeJFrick (Post 2466696)

Hmm thats interesting may thing about that provided there isnt frame damage. Maybe just take the check in cash and see if its cheaper

V_86 12-03-2015 06:44 PM

Use a shop. If its an insurance approved shop, the repairs are guaranteed for the life of the car.

zc06_kisstherain 12-04-2015 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PWBRZ (Post 2466652)
Unfortunately quite true. I'm always amazed with the inflexible, cut-n-dry nature of some traffic laws. If the op had changed lanes even quicker and completed the lane change before getting hit then I suppose it would be a 'hit from behind' scenario and the op would not be at fault..?

yes.

extrashaky 12-04-2015 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PWBRZ (Post 2466652)
If the op had changed lanes even quicker and completed the lane change before getting hit then I suppose it would be a 'hit from behind' scenario and the op would not be at fault..?

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Originally Posted by zc06_kisstherain (Post 2470328)
yes.

Not necessarily.

This used to be a common insurance scam in the 70s. An asshole would swerve in front of another car, slam on the brakes and then pretend to be injured. The cops would arrive on the scene of a rear end collision and automatically find the rear driver at fault.

Insurance companies got wise to it first when they started seeing the same people filing claims for the same type of accident. Then cops started actually paying more attention to witnesses when some states ramped up prosecution of insurance fraud.

Now, if you have a dash cam and someone pulls that shit, you have evidence that they caused the accident. What would have been an automatic fault for you turns into a citation for the other driver for unsafe lane change, and their insurance ends up paying.

Ain't technology grand?

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1jDmvEK-qM"]Truck Rear Ends Car - YouTube[/ame]

totopo 12-04-2015 05:11 PM

http://www.all-about-car-accidents.c...ront-car-fault

It would be mostly he said she said. Would depend on what other evidence there was (ie witnesses, video, police report). If there is evidence then the one doing the cutting off (ie op) would still be at fault.

rosol16 12-16-2015 07:55 PM

So update, they put it 60/40 at fault mainly hers which is nice. The body shop finally has it and finished the estimate. The damage came out to 16k!!!! The insurance company wont total it as its value at 23k. It will be done on Jan 31


Edit: I fought my ticket and ended up getting it dismissed as she actually also received a ticket, two in fact. I did not know at the time as she went to the hospital as "precaution" so the officer couldn't write her a ticket. I found out at court that due to several eye witness account the officer wrote her two tickets one for excessive acceleration and failure to yield. Im not sure why she received the second one as what justifies I have the right of way but needless to say this is why the insurance didn't put me at fault. Thank you USAA

aegisdrgn 12-17-2015 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rosol16 (Post 2483240)
So update, they put it 60/40 at fault mainly hers which is nice. The body shop finally has it and finished the estimate. The damage came out to 16k!!!! The insurance company wont total it as its value at 23k. It will be done on Jan 31


Edit: I fought my ticket and ended up getting it dismissed as she actually also received a ticket, two in fact. I did not know at the time as she went to the hospital as "precaution" so the officer couldn't write her a ticket. I found out at court that due to several eye witness account the officer wrote her two tickets one for excessive acceleration and failure to yield. Im not sure why she received the second one as what justifies I have the right of way but needless to say this is why the insurance didn't put me at fault. Thank you USAA

Good for you! I would send "thank you" notes to the witnesses that stayed behind to provide statements to the police officer. Hard to find people who give a rat's ass anymore.

If you look closely at the repair estimate, I have a feeling the majority of the bill is to replace the "SRS" (Safety Restraint System) components - airbags, sensors, seat belts, etc.

rosol16 12-17-2015 06:15 PM

I bet
 
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Originally Posted by aegisdrgn (Post 2483540)
Good for you! I would send "thank you" notes to the witnesses that stayed behind to provide statements to the police officer. Hard to find people who give a rat's ass anymore.

If you look closely at the repair estimate, I have a feeling the majority of the bill is to replace the "SRS" (Safety Restraint System) components - airbags, sensors, seat belts, etc.

I'm sure it is. I haven't been able to see the actual paper estimate haven't logged into my online account just spoke to them on the phone

acetothermus 12-17-2015 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 2470373)

It's shit like this that makes me amazed that we all haven't killed ourselves by now. Silly people so wrapped up in themselves and getting there first because reasons is going to be the end of us...mark my words.

rosol16 12-21-2015 03:02 PM

Estimate
 
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Originally Posted by aegisdrgn (Post 2483540)
Good for you! I would send "thank you" notes to the witnesses that stayed behind to provide statements to the police officer. Hard to find people who give a rat's ass anymore.

If you look closely at the repair estimate, I have a feeling the majority of the bill is to replace the "SRS" (Safety Restraint System) components - airbags, sensors, seat belts, etc.

After looking at the estimate 60% of the repair cost (not including labor) is in the Air Bag and the rear windshield as the bottom of it got some tiny crack in the accident. The windshield was actually more than the air bag

aegisdrgn 12-22-2015 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rosol16 (Post 2487467)
After looking at the estimate 60% of the repair cost (not including labor) is in the Air Bag and the rear windshield as the bottom of it got some tiny crack in the accident. The windshield was actually more than the air bag

Just one airbag? wow, you got out light! in my repair bill it listed clock spring, driver + passenger airbags, seatbelt explosive bolts + sensors in the seats.

Braces 12-23-2015 07:29 AM

Sounds like this unfortunate situation came out in your favor. Just be happy you weren't injured. It's just a car. It can be replaced.

DrDuquette 12-23-2015 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by acetothermus (Post 2484424)
It's shit like this that makes me amazed that we all haven't killed ourselves by now. Silly people so wrapped up in themselves and getting there first because reasons is going to be the end of us...mark my words.


Nothing the driver could have done to stop this one. He was even looking out the window.
Notice how the truck didn't even shake when hitting the car.


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ayilar 01-04-2016 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perryair (Post 2466375)
its a little late but i'd suggest always setting your sideview mirrors way past how most people set them. if you set them so that as you scan the rearview and hit the end of either side, you pick up immediately at that spot from your sideview, and at the moment your sideview stops as you scan forward, you should be able to see object at the edge of your peripheral vision, and repeat of the other side for basically a 360 degree view. this has saved my ass quite a few times, you don't need 3 rearview mirrors, you need to be able to see when someone is in or accelerating into your blind spot.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...id-blind-spots

Couldn't agree more. Set my mirrors after reading that same C&D article -- doing so has saved me more than once, most recently last week.

crackcaffeine 01-05-2016 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rosol16 (Post 2487467)
After looking at the estimate 60% of the repair cost (not including labor) is in the Air Bag and the rear windshield as the bottom of it got some tiny crack in the accident. The windshield was actually more than the air bag

i would say the majority of the total cost is labor in rebuilding the unibody rear quarter panel, just from looking at what a pain in the ass it is on B is for build :D

$16k yeesh...


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