Second Generation FT86 Confirmed
 

A second generation of the 86 has been "officially" confirmed from a reputable source: http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...t-sales-growth

Don't mix up second generation and an update/refresh. Model year 2017 is less than a year away.

2017 is going to be a refresh of the current model and they are probably going to milk it another 2-3 years.
Second generation on the other hand is after they are done with the current generation and probably a few years away as it takes that long to develop a car.

But he confirmed that Subaru will build a new-generation BRZ coupe with partner Toyota Motor Corp. "We have already agreed with Toyota we will do a full model change. We have not decided when it will be introduced," he said.
The rear-wheel-drive BRZ is the only car sold by Subaru in the U.S. without all-wheel drive; Yoshinaga declined to give details on the configuration of the redesign.


They decided years ago when it would be introduced. What he really means (if that is even an actual quote) is "we have decided not to say when it will be introduced"

I hope this car doesn't get the hybrid drive train.

Hopefully I'll be in a position to get a second car when the second gen rolls out! Or perhaps the FT1 depending on how it turns out.

I'll just look after my 2013 GT86 and watch the whole thing go south.
Like when the Celica went from RWD to FWD. *shudder*

I have a feeling the second gen (not refresh) will actually be pretty exciting. Something tells me they might surprise us.

Source: My ass (equivalent to motoring.au)

Exactly what was going through my head when I read that.

Lexus IS is another one that comes to mind!

Good info, thanks for posting!

Can't see that happening due to extra weight. But it would add some much needed low end torque.

here we go again

What car has gotten significantly better in the second generation? Especially a sports car? They always get heavier with the edges taken off (some say it's already happened with the new FR-S spring rates being taken from the BRZ).

Well, the ND got lighter but lost even more edge so I guess that's a wash.

People often mistake advancement with losing the edge. Which Integra was the best? Not the first gen. Which Supra? Which RX-7? There's no rule here. Any new generation of twin will be turboed because of fuel economy requirements. I'd like to see an EV version. That would be a blast.

2nd gen we are looking @ 2020 model ......so ya....... it's gonna be a long~~ wait.

Seems to happen with every car. A modern Civic absolutely dwarfs an Accord from the 80's.

I know it happens, but I don't have to like it.

-Justin

Yep...Supra, rx7, 300zx, wrx, mustang, corvette, lotus, etc...

This. It all depends really. Some are worse, others are better.

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New Subbie produced in Lafayette?

I see a decrease in sales incoming. I'm sure they testing waters and anyway wish to lower sales numbers but....'murica? FWD/pos car incoming.

I wouldn't buy a Toyota, Honda or any Japan import if made in America.

http://cdn.slowrobot.com/12282012165813.jpg

How many Japanese branded cars are still made in Japan for the US market? Most of our VW's come from Mexico. BMWs are made all over the place, including the US and South Africa. I think a good portion of the 'American' brands are built in Mexico or Canada.

I found the window sticker from my 98 Civic in a file a few weeks ago. I had believed that car was made in Japan and they started building later generations in the US, but it was a US-built car.

I know I see trailerloads of Subarus heading out for delivery whenever I'm in Indiana.

Seriously, though, which Japanese models are still imported from Japan instead of built here? Anyone have a list?

-Justin

God :lol:


They probably won't make too many changes for another 2 years. I am just throwing numbers in the air, though.

Here ya go Justin http://forums.redflagdeals.com/cars-...japan-1167364/

BMW, VW.... SMOG.

LOL I don't like those cars anyways. I'm a big Asia fan. I'll even take a Hyundai over a M3, given that the Hyundai is a Genesis or nasty Veloster.

They all seem to just be getting it wrong. Every time someone claims a car is imported from Japan, there's someone responding with the actual plant location in the US.

I'll just have to read window stickers more closely. Next car is probably a Focus ST, so at least I won't have to be disappointed to find out it wasn;t made in Japan.

-Justin

In before we discover that the second generation car is the same car with a new front bumper cover and different OEM wheels.

I'm pretty sure our Forester came from Japan because they picked it up from the port. There's no magic in Japan, though. Much and maybe even most of quality comes from processes and design, assembly workers. Except in British cars. :)

It's safe to say 2nd gen will be more expensive and heavier. lol

As of next year all Mitsubishis are back to being built in Japan. Which is fine since they have done away with all the good ones anyway.

Oooh, good call with those cars, however I would argue quite staunchly that the best generations were NOT the last generations with the DC5 Integra picking up weight and MacPherson struts, the MK4 Supra being more a grand-touring car than the sportier Mk2 & 3 and the FD being rather unattainable and tempermental compared to the much more reliable and playful FB/FC, not to mention the FE could be accused of not having a fraction of the edge of the 7's.

Well, 300zx was definitely less a sports car than other Z's, I don't think anyone would honestly take it over a 240Z-280Z, the new WRX is a V6 Camry in styling and performance and the STI is using a 15 year old engine vs. lightweight and tossable bugeye, Mustang is a muscle/pony car finally entering the late 20th century with IRS, definitely an improvement there (after many generations with one step forward two steps back), Corvette can't take track abuse, and Lotus currently only offers the Evora (heaviest lotus to date I think? what a sham) in the U.S. and to my knowledge hasn't significantly reworked a car in well over a decade (Thank god Danny Bahar didn't get the chance to follow through on his 'vision').

:burnrubber:

With the exception of the Mustang and Elise, I think I prefer an earlier generation of ALL the cars listed over the latest generation when it comes to using them as sporting vehicles, HPDE/AutoX/weekend driving.

Nah that would not be a second gen just a refreash.
You want to be in before we find that the second gen is a heavy, bloated, hybred, expensive touring coupe that left it's roots behind in the never ending quest for larger market share.

Subaru is different. It states in the article how Subaru doesn't want to expand any further. It wants to keep it's "niche" appeal.

I doubt they'll abandon what makes the twins so great, a cheap, reliable, simplistic, lightweight FR with "just enough" horsepower so it can be wrung out even on main roads.

The twins aren't geared towards the masses, and I don't think Subaru wants it to be.

There was a day not too long ago when there was a distinct difference between the quality of Japanese built and NA built cars. And as you said, it was mostly through much greater processes and attention to them that the Japanese had used for a long time. It is only in the last 15 years or so that the NA manufacturers are starting to catch on and use some of the process management tools that the Japanese have used for half a century that we are seeing a huge upswing in the quality of the vehicles made here. The "get 'em on the road now quality be damned" mentality I recall from my early years in the industry has been gone for a while now.
Once the NA companies started embracing such systems as Kaizen, Lean, Six Sigma, etc there was a marked increase in quality and productivity. Anybody want to guess where all those systems originated?

That may all be true, but we know which ones are considered iconic and which ones are barely considered at all.

What about the Z family?? Z31 300zx to the Z32 300zx to the 350Z to the 370Z??

Edit: didnt read the whole thread lol

Subaru and Toyota are both for profit companies. If they can make more by "upgrading" the cars they will. If anybody thinks that Subaru will just stay where it is now to fill a niche market then we can kiss them goodbye. The super car manufactures can get away with that business model but a company based upon low cost, mass produced cars must grow or die.

Didn't sigma come from Ancient Greece?

That all said, there are still crap design decisions made in a lot of cars, all to hit a price point. Modern BMWs often have crap trim pieces. The second gen CTS was plastic fantastic in build quality. I test drove a 3-year-old CTS-V with the NA Vette engine. It was about to fall apart. I'm amazed no engine parts fell out as it rattled down the road.

So it's a complex story.

>400,000 sold, Porsche performance at half the price and twice the reliability:
http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...019679046.jpeg

Generation 3/4:
http://www.integradc2.com/wp-content...-type-r-21.jpg

I really wish I could defeat the internet hype train on the Mk4 Supra but I'll admit failure on that one. But damn do I love how the Mk2 looks.
https://carjunkies.files.wordpress.c...7/dscf0607.jpg

Oh no doubt at all! The bad decisions are not always just to hit price points (although many are) though. Cars are designed and made by people and people are known to screw up sometimes. If no other people catch it then some shoddy stuff hits the market.

But hasn't Mazda used the Miata (MX-5) to fill a niche market? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Mhd602lf99...3+To+2011.jpeg
I'd say, with their latest offering, that the Miata has stayed true to it's roots, even after 25 years. From here:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T6iAa7a_ol...art%2B2014.jpg
we can see that the twins still sell significantly more than the Miata, though less compared to how well the Miata sold 10+ years ago.

I believe there is still hope.

I agree.

But the original 240Z is one glaring example of not getting better with future models.

One car does not mean they are focused on filling a niche market. You do know they make many other models right? (JK not mean sarcasm).
Where are their other niche market cars now? What happened to them before they faded out?
Subaru may be able to keep the BRZ alive by hanging onto Toyota's coat tails but if they are counting on it to keep them moving forward they need to increase the sales not just maintain them. To do that they have to appeal to a larger market share.

The old RX-7 is a fun car, but it just doesn't get the love. Why is that?

Not much love for the first or second-gen Integra. Why is that?

Not much love for any gen of Supra but gen 4. Again, why?

Looks are possibly the biggest reason. All the early gens of those cars look... old. Including your favorite Supra. The MkIVPoopra, FD, 300ZX, and DC4 all have hot, modern-looking bodies.