Subaru says they cant fit a turbo in the BRZ?
 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/subaru...182551874.html

"Surprisingly, Hirakawa admitted that STI is developing a more powerful version of the BRZ, a slow-selling coupe that’s also sold as the Scion FR-S. While Subaru can’t equip the BRZ with a regular, exhaust-driven turbocharger due to space constraints, the automaker’s engineers are looking at fitting the four-cylinder engine with a state-of-the-art electric turbocharger that’s a lot more compact. The technology is under study, but it hasn’t been given the green light for production yet."

I find this hilarious...since so many folk have crammed superchargers, big turbos, little turbos with manageable heat build up.

What do you all think of electric turbo'd BRZs?

Doesn't the electric turbo require a large battery to power or? This would be taking a lot more space compared to a regular turbo.

Love them. On e85 mine put down 233 WHP & 207 WTQ about a month back. Actually it's Electric Supercharged though (Turbos are exhaust gas driven).

Nope, fits in the stock battery tray just fine thank you.

Phantom Superchargers main page here:
http://www.phantomsuperchargers.com/


Main thread on forum is here:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39719


Full time F.I. add-on by OpenFlash here:

http://openflashtablet.com/Automotiv...des/index.html

Well, if it truly is an electric turbo, it would be powered by an exhaust driven generator turbine which may charge a bank of super capacitors. This would be an amazing breakthrough if they could make the technology work at a mass market level.

You could but usually you have a big alternator to charge 2 batteries 1 for the car and 1 for the turbo, alternately (pun intended) they could have a single battery and have a voltage cutoff for the turbo so it does not impact other vehicle systems. The turbo would run as long as it has power. So its great for daily driving and light track use. But it does not have to multiple/rapid heavy use sustain that conventional turbos do.

What they do have is really fast spooling rates...which (if mapped right) would give you 100% pressure at take off.

The Phantom system uses the stock alternator which is rated at 130 Amps. More than enough to recharge the batteries quickly.

The batteries are separated into 2 discreet systems.

1.Compact starter battery for the vehicle and it's systems (Odyseey PC680) 12v.

2. 2x Big Crank EXT16 12v batteries ran in series to get above 24volts (this powers the compressor).

The compressor can give 100% boost at ~0 RPM but it's actually spooled up more slowly for driveability (otherwise the rear end would instantly break loose). Max torque is made available at 3376 engine RPM.

http://i.imgur.com/6w2M4p9.jpg

"Subaru has to date ruled out a turbocharged version of the sportscar because of turbo, intercooler and plumbing packaging and crash test incompatibilities."

Sounds like more the matter of it not passing crash tests to Subaru standards, rather than just not being able to fit it at all.

From the article:

That should be all you need to know.

Edit: here's what they're citing: http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...ng-board-54765

I still don't believe them.

"...Subaru has to date ruled out a turbocharged version of the sportscar because of turbo, intercooler and plumbing packaging and crash test incompatibilities. "

This may be a true statement. I would like them to say more about the issue. I'm pretty sure that top mount scenario won't work but maybe in the AVO position?

A low output (6psi or less) electric supercharger doesn't require an intercooler, or lots of extra exhaust plumbing. Crash certifying a similar setup to the Phantom ESC in my car would be cake.

Op did you read the article at all???

Second sentence: "Speaking to Australian website Motoring" lost me there bullshit radar overload explosion imminent.:bonk:

Again moroting.au so it's all made up from someone's imagination.:laughabove:

I'm not disputing that Motoring.au is terrible, but to be fair, they are quoting Yoshio Hirakawa directly through much of the article. This specific line isn't though, so who knows. It is believable though, and I'm pretty sure nobody on this forum is qualified to say otherwise, so I'll file that one under my personal list of plausible reasons we don't have a BRZ STi.

"Sometimes my farts smell like popcorn," said FT86 Club forum member Luftwaffle.

Given motoring.au's reputation, they could have done exactly as I just did.

As far as not meeting crash test regulations, I can believe it.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

That's good thou, after all toyota & subaru development is said to be aiming towards an "addition" that can be added on to eariler cars with ease. Quote from the engineers in pretty much every single interview...

electric turbo is what set off my radar. I dont follow the different sites and what their rating is. I was using it more to poke fun at subaru in regards to saying they cant fit a turbo in the BRZ.

Subaru is scrapping SPT and rebranding everything as STi parts. They have stated at the NYIAS that they want to start offering more OEM "aftermarket" upgrades similar to Ford Racing parts. I wouldn't be surprised if they did somehow manage to develop an "electric supercharger" that it would be available through the STi catalogue and backwardly compatible with first gen cars.

Bullshit.

AHHHHHHH SONOFABITCH I clicked it before reading far enough to see it was based on motoring.au.

Think about it from a manufacturing standpoint. Nobody would want to buy a car with an electric supercharger and no auto maker wants to make one. Thats a whole lot of market research they wouldn't have to do.

If this car came from the factory with an electric supercharger I would have laughed at the novelty and immediately looked elsewhere.

You speak for everybody?
There are loads of people that would be more than happy with a factory electric supercharger I am sure. Need to keep in mind that many just look at the final numbers and don't care how they got there. The after market ones here seem to be doing ok.

They're 100% right, 1% of the time.

They always quote people directly, the thing is that doesn't mean they actually talked to said person and the "quote" is not really a quote.

i.e. President Obama said "I will buy all the BRZ's in the world to make a giant transformer".

See how I "quoted" Obama just like Motoring "quotes" people:bs:

I wouldn't even give them that much credit TBH

I think the mass public would be extremely skeptical of an electric supercharger and the long term maintenance. People generally don't like hopping on any new kind of band wagon.

The aftermarket ones... I have read the threads and done research, across the board it seems like its looked at as a novelty. I would never take a vehicle with an electric supercharger seriously. This is the only platform I have seen people actually think it is a viable option. Granted the last vehicles I have owned were all LSx or turbo'd so there was absolutely no need for something like an electric supercharger.

This is sort of my point. The mass public doesn't know nor care if it is belt driven, electric or squirrel powered as long as the numbers at the end look good. We as "car guys" know the difference and may be concerned about how it functions but Joe Average just won't care as long as it works. The manufacturers would not be throwing an electric SC on the car unless they are convinced it will work.
Now do I think they are ready to go that route? Not at the current tech levels no, but there could be something out there that even we don't know about.
I am old enough to remember people saying that fuel injection was just a fad and would never go anyplace so maybe I am a bit more optimistic that the tech may be just around the corner.

I think we see skeptical people not just concerned about final numbers with vehicles that have hybrid technology or cylinder deactivation. See it everyday with CVT trans and even average people complain about it never shifting. A lot of manufacters have actually switched to making a CVT sound/feel like it shifts now. New technology is developing everyday. I mean even turbos took a while to catch on for mass use. IDK, interesting debate though!

Have you ever ridden in an electrically supercharged car 86? Something tells me not. The boost and torque characteristics are exactly what people want. Reliability should be better than traditional F.I. as there are fewer moving parts and less boost needed (my 5psi kit performs roughly equivalent to an 8psi turbo or super due to its' nearly non-parasitic nature). My setup nets +~80 lb/ft more torque in the much maligned '86 torque dip than a standard FR-S on pump gas with almost no loss in fuel economy. In my configuration boost is near instantaneous so the car feels closer to NA than a traditional turbo. @Robftss goal was to keep the kit simple and inexpensive (under $2k). You can buy upgrades but they're not required. You may laugh at the novelty. I laugh at all the fun I'm having for so little money for nearly a year now. Still, everyone should take the ESC concept very seriously as Audi, BMW, Volvo, Mazda, Acura, and Toyota are widely reported to have ESC tech in the pipeline.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ake-sense-now/

If your ever in the area of a Phantom ESC owner, ask for a ride. Tell us what you think.

I think you and Subaru have different versions of "manageable."

You heard it here first, guys. New BRZ STi to be electric hybrid. Coming to Australia March '16.

Subaru says they cant fit a turbo in the BRZ?
 

It's nice thou? In a dream world, They can get rid of torque dip & let electric does everything below & shift the engine power band even more high strung... Wala Hybrid S2K ✌️


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What? You guys didn't get more powerful ver? I did

Here's the pic lmao
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attac...3&d=1355243177

Is that the special GTx86 TRD they sell in the UAE? :party0030:

LMFAO I see what you did there

The big difference there is that the CVT is something the average person can actually feel. To reference another past innovation that I got to experience was when disc brakes came out. People that were used to standing on unpowered drum systems complained bitterly that the discs grabbed too much and were dangerous. This is something they can feel and experience. Place a traditional SC and an electric SC in the same car and I highly doubt even car guys could tell you which is which much less the average buyer. If most of the buyers went to a dealer and were told "this car has a supercharger' most of the responses would be "what is a supercharger?" not "belt driven or electric".

Under daily driving they seem to be manageable. Heavy track loads...not so much. But most subarus if tracked stock have heat problems anyway.

I understand your point but subaru cant say their stock cars are without heatproblems anyway.

True. Keep in mind, OEMs heat test all kinds of cars on track. OEMs will come out to our track fairly regularly during the summer and beat on just about everything on the racetrack. Minivans, family sedans, you name it. From an engineering perspective, the thermal loads a car sees on the racetrack in the summer are a very good indication of how it'll hold up long-term.

On stock power, I heatsoaked and hit 145F IATs sitting in traffic. It was 70F outside. It's worse than some turbocharged cars that I've had. This is exactly the point though - these cars have heat problems bone-stock. You can't say that adding a turbo would not increase heat, and correcting these issues to OEM specs is a little more complex than adding an oil cooler into the crumple zone.