Replacement keys?
 

I'm looking into getting another key for my FR-S (2013 - Base) as I only have one (bought the car used from a Nissan dealership, and I am an idiot who didn't think to argue with them then) - what are the alternatives to paying the $200+ to get a second key from a local Scion dealer?

I'd be fine with a traditional key that's not synched to any of the electronics as a spare...

Suck it up and get a key from the Scion dealership. I've had non-official keys for cars before and they're god awful.

Think of the 200 dollars as a tuition for not making mistakes like that in the future.

$500+ here.... lol I won't pay that for a key. Thankfully, have 2.

Find a keysmith. Get the hook up. I had 2 made, but only for doors. I think if I try to use keysmith one for ignition, i'll brick the car due to the immobilizer. Can anyone confirm this has/can happen?
@Tcoat @humfrz @NWFRS @Ultramaroon

You guys have owned the 86 longer than I have and have more XP. I didn't find any info on this in the forums. On tablet atm.

Locksmith not keysmith****

Pretty sure it was in here, maybe the DIY section but there was a way to get a replacement for half or a quarter of what they cost at the dealer.
It was buy key from Ebay, get it cut and programmed by locksmith...something along those lines.

What kind of issues did they give you (worked some times and others they wouldn't?)? Or was it just a hassle finding one that actually worked in the end?

If it ends up looking like paying the $200+ is the only option I'll do it... Will probably just wait a little to do so as I want to build back up the spending reserves after buying winter tires / rims.

You should be able to get a blank and have it cut by a locksmith, which would open the doors ...... but not start the car.

So, if you lose your chipped key ..... you can still get into the car .... but where are you going if you can't start the car ..... ??

Like @STZ suggested, it would be good to have a spare chipped key, in case you lose or misplace the first one.

Say, you are out on the town and you get lucky. However, when you wake in a motel room the next morning, you realize she left and took your wallet and keys. If your car is still there, either she couldn't find the right car or couldn't drive a stick. With a spare key hidden under the car, you can still drive home .......... :popcorn:


humfrz

That's rather detailed for a hypothetical example?

Just sayin'...

:D

I looked through a few older threads but nobody really came out and said I bought X key fob and reprogrammed successfully doing Y.

I'd be willing to pay the dealer to program the fob, guess I will have to research if any of these ebay fobs are legit.

To be frank, buy some Vaseline, lube the butt, and just buy an official from the dealer.

There are probably 10 or more threads on this subject hidden in here someplace. People name the "Help Please" or "What should I do?" so they are almost un searchable. In almost ever case where somebody figured they found a way to do it cheaper they ended up spend way more time and money then if they had just gone to the dealer in the first place.
As has been said I would just bite the bullet and go to the dealer.
Pay the price, do it right, do it once. (This is going to be my new response to most things here I think)

My personal experience with replacing a key.

This video below shows how to do it with a key without remote buttons.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf-0dSCVfRY"]2004 Toyota Sienna LE Immobilizer Key Programming - How To - YouTube[/ame]
This video came from this site: http://clubsciontc.com/forums/diy-in...new-key-27271/

From what I see, that key he used is like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-...xTdOXk&vxp=mtr

If that key there can be programmed like he did in that video then you are just missing the remote buttons on it but it will still manually open the drivers side door or trunk and also start the car. Another possibility is to take the transponder out of the one you have and insert it close to the ignition and then any key you cut even without a transponder chip will work because that chip is in proximity of the ignition.
There are also the keys with remote buttons and immobilizer chip inside like this: http://www.fobkeyless.com/2013-2014-...-head-key.html for $180 so it seems just getting that, getting it cut, and programming it yourself might do it. Unless it is not possible and that video is somehow faked?

What kind of vaseline works best? :sigh:

Usually a locksmith will make a copy of a car key, sans chip, to be used as a hide a key...I easily had that done for my FRS...a dollar or two it was.

Online I've searched chipped car key and transponder car key. Seems Some Walmarts and Home Depot make such keys. Best to call a store near you, to ascertain if they make such keys for Toyota/Subaru.

Nothing really to add here. DM7 pretty much says it. This is a case where the DIY thrifty route is really not worth it, IMHO.

That exactly that. Get a casing from ebay(legit or knockoff) (if you have no chip for it then you need to get one) go to a local keysmith (one that specializes in car related keys if possible) and they will program it for you. I ended up paying about 100cdn for a lexus is300 key instead of 400.

pretty sure the Mrs's does that to him on a weekly basis. I mean he obviously made up the getting lucky part but..

What does it cost to un-brick the car?

I would pony up and get them to deal with the chip. The key part is easy, any key cutter can copy it with the right blank. The chip is the tricky part, and I bet that the answer to my question is: More than the $200 or so (and you would still be without a second key).

:lol: ......... "getting lucky" for me, these days, is being able to take a two hour nap without the phone or the doorbell ringing ......... :)


humfrz

Here's a cheap alternative:


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I tried to get new master keys made and the locksmith couldn't do it(his system claimed he could but he could in fact not). If you already have a master key just find an auto locksmith to make another one. Will be cheaper than dealer but very worth it. What if you lost that one key you have? It'll be almost $1000(no joke I already tried this) from the dealer to get a new master key and a spare. Or go keyless entry/push button start for about 500$

You should have the key from the scion dealer if they deny to give it or offer many charges for the second key.Then better option to get a lock key and program it from the certified locksmith.

Doesn't work in our cars, he can however find a 2013 FR-S key blank and get it cut somewhere cheap, but no one can program it other than the dealer.....

If this is still true, just get push to start. Its cheaper in the long run

Update: I'm horrible... I still haven't gotten around to getting the spare key, I'm just going to get it from the dealer, I forget what the quote they gave me was but from what I recall my reaction wasn't to bang my head against the wall so I want to say it was reasonable...

Between $200 and $300 seems to be the norm. Not peanuts but worth knowing it will work and not having to mess around all over the place.

Don't hold me to it but I want to say the price they gave me was $175 for full key and $90 for key w/ no electronic function... Don't feel like calling them again at this moment, as I most likely won't get this resolved until I take the car into servicing in a month and do everything one-shot...

edit: I'm not sure the $90 is right though... As I think the rep. was initially under the impression that a FOB wouldn't be needed.

As long as you still have a master key it's not THAT bad. If you just have valet like me it's not worth it

Ya, it probably varies from dealer to dealer and maybe the guys that posted had to pay taxes or something. Still a bargain in my books since the other routes involve several places and no guarantee it will work in the end.

That could be the difference with the guys at the upper end of the cost scale. They didn't have a master so more was involved.

Almost a grand for 2 keys with all the programming. Push to start is lie $500. Guess which I'll get

But would you not have to program fobs for push to start and it would cost the same? The expense for the other isn't getting the keys cut it is the programing and that would have to be done either way.

According to 2 separate push to start manufacturers(one, the local Toyota dealer is a licensed installer for) told me no keys need made and it would bypass the lack of a master key. I presume their system becomes the new master key in essence. So it's $1000 for 2 master keys or $450+ install. Since both companies said the same thing I trust it's accurate. If one said no I'd be very suspicious if they actually knew

Hmmmm cool. Does that include the doors as well? Not in any way doubting your info but somehow a fob with the engine enabler chip is still involved so I don't understand the price difference.

Opens the doors too. You get I think 2fobs that(if I remember properly) unlock and lock the doors when you get near/leave the vehicle and allow the start button to activate. May pop the trunk too. Should have full pushbutton start functionality same as the factory versions

I ask so many questions because my keyless is about the only thing I miss from my old cars but this sounds way to easy.
The stock fobs have the engine enabling chip in them (even the keyed ones) so any idea how they get around that?

It would have to be a manual. I don't think you can push-start most modern automatic cars. A buddy of mine had an old late '60's Dodge of some kind with an auto tranny, I think, that we used to have to push start frequently 'cause he was too cheap to buy a battery or starter to replace his failing starting system. It always amazed me that you could push-start an auto car; I thought he was hallucinating the first time he convinced me to help him do it. But.. sure enough... away it went once we pushed it fast enough.

Popping the clutch once rollin' in a manual... that's a piece of cake. You still need the key to release the steering lock, though, unless you plan on going in whatever direction the wheels are locked in ONLY, and to get all the other electrical circuits online.

Oh ... wait... this isn't what you meant by "push to start, " is it... ? ;)

Guess I've had too many cars that, occasionally, I did "push to start" over the years.. and a few motorcycles, too.

Barry

That is either bypassed or replaced as far as I can tell. I didn't ask exactly how they made it happen but I decided my problem and they said a master key was not necessary for their system to work and it would work as intended. Now both companies could be wrong, but I found it unlikely

Were they chain companies or just local? I am now on a quest!

Easy Go and Advanced Keys are the 2 I contacted