Best All Around Tire
 

So I currently have the stock rims on my car with Michelin Pilot SS's. I have had them for a little over a year and for the second time in less than a month I have hydroplaned in the rain at not fast speeds. As such, in an attempt to prolong my life as well as my cars I want to switch to a more reliable rain tire. Having said that I want to compromise as little as possible in the handling dry department. It would also be a plus to have a tire that is quiter than the SS's because those make the cabin fairly unpleasant on the freeway. Also I will be transitioning to rims 18x19.5 as opposed to the stock 17x7 rims. Please give me yalls opinion!!!!

Lower profile tires will make the noise worse.
Mpss are considered the best all around for performance and mild wet weather conditions.
You will lose dry grip if you want to get more wet weather grip.

You will have to compromise.
dry grip or wet grip
big wheel/low profile tires, less comfort. Smaller wheel/bigger sidewalls= more comfort.

Look at tirerack.com for reviews. mpss are pretty much near the top for an all around tire.

Well my two cents, I don't recommend Michelin PSS. If you can get them for a cheap price, then and only then would I consider it. There are way better tires that are way cheaper.

I'm convinced that most of the PSS fans bought them solely because of the dealership or tire guy wanted them to stick to the OEM brand just to make more money

So far the top tires I had that are good in the rain where the Dunlops Direzzas and the Yokohama S. Drives.

My best tires that where good in the rain where the Dunlops Star Specs and Hankook RS3. But those are more for weeken trips to the track or autox. They could do daily driving but you won't get comfort or quite.

Just how fast where you going when you hydroplane? No tire will make you go faster in the rain. You'll hydroplane at one point or another.

I have had direzzas and sdrives on fwd cars. Neither impressed and both wore out very quickly. A non summer tire with deeper grooves will likely do better in the rain. Check the tire rack reviews.

I did get a set of Michelin all season tires but I haven't put the wheels on yet.

Pilot Sport A/S 3 ?

Or you can go 16 if you want comfort/sport. there is a reason base model twins in other country comes with the base 16" rim. You can get performance tires on them & still be comfy cuz all that side wall. O.o 16X8 gives you best of both world?

Ive had S. Drives and Direzza star specs on multiple cars and have never hydroplaned. It rains almost everyday here in Hawaii and the roads are the worst in the country. TBH people will have all their own opinions on tires so I just treat it all as here-say. The only way you will get the right tire for you is if you test drive other FRSs with different tires or you just buy the one with the highest rating and see how you like them. Don't like them?, next time you buy tires, just try a different brand or model. Best all around tire? I think price per performance I would go for the S. Drives. I buy Direzza Star Specs for the driving feel and predictability, even though they are only marginally better than S. Drives but with a higher price tag.

Thanks for the replys, and I actually hydroplaned at 60 mph and I wasn't accelerating. This occurred during the storms yesterday in the Dallas ft worth area. After ******* myself I turned the snow mode on to help gain extra traction need be and to my surprise the tires broke loose again less than 30 minutes later at about the same speed. So I'm hoping a fatter tire will help with the issue.

60mph is pretty quick. Not surprised you hydroplaned at that speed. If you're basing an opinion off that, you should probably reconsider.

A fatter/wider tyre will make the problem worse, not better. You'll be reducing the ground pressure of the tyre and therefore decreasing the amount of water needed to "lift" the tyre to aquaplane.

Firstly you need to reduce speed (drive to conditions) - any tyre will eventually float if you are going fast enough in bad conditions.

Also, snow mode isn't going to gain you traction at speed, the purpose is to help with starting on slippery roads by starting the car off in second gear. The best way to deal with rain and standing water is simply to slow your speed. And Panman is right, wider tired will make rain traction worse.


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Well said.


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On the PSS, 80% of the inside of the tire is a winter/wet optimized compound optimized and the last outer edge for dry handling.
I have been through a decent amount of rain in Florida and never hydroplaned on my PSS but I also never tried going 60 mph in rain either.
I can't see a tire being much better in the dry than the PSS for every day driving and I just hanen't had any issues with them in water.
The tire initially "peels" away from the inside of my garage like it is tacky and stuck there after sitting there for a while. The only way
I have found that I can lose traction is turning off the driving aids. The only place around here that the speed limit is even high enough to
get 60 mph are the interstate roads and those never have standing water. Can't figure how you hit standing water on a 60 mph road?

Here is a video of the PSS in the wet and it does pretty admirably: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8fbQ-h6ikE"]Michelin Pilot Super Sport Ultra High Performance Tire Wet Handling - YouTube[/ame]

Look into Nitto Invos. I have those and they are amazingstreet tire. They shine in the rain and are amazingly quite. They do lack alittle dry performance (vs high performance tires) though but they are stillbetter then stock and an upgrade everywhere else (but snow). Only down side isthe smallest size they make them in is 225/45R/17 but those still fit stockrims. They are also fairly heavy tire to incase you care.

The best all around tire is mpss. Maybe get a good all season tire that is good in the rain? You can look on tire rack for good reviews. Also keep in mind that RWD cars lose traction a lot easier in the rain. I've lost traction a few times in the rain with stock oem tires. My guess Is that you probably just need to slow down. That's what I had to do.

ROFL nothing can really stop you hydroplaning @60mph if the puddle is large enough(unless we are talking wet grip dedicated tires). Rule of thumb is if you don't want to hydroplane in large storm don't drive above 70 km/h (about 45 mph). That's just physics, I've hydroplaned with all the above mentioned tires (except maybe 1 or 2 I haven't tried) the only way around it is to slow down.

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Yes I'm poking fun at OP

LOL. All this supportive language and then it turns out he's going way too fast.

Texans just don't know how to drive in the rain. They've never seen it before.

Do you have a tread depth tool? You can get them really cheap if not. How deep is the tread? I've had brand new tires that aren't known for being great in the wet do well against hydroplaning since they have all that tread space to shed water. Not so much when they get down to 4/32". I had MPSS on an Evo. They did ok, but I never really liked the feel. I've liked the feel of Bridgestones that I've run recently on other cars-960AS, RE11A, and S04. Continently DW seems to get decent reviews on wet driving, although I didn't like the DWS all season compared to the Bridgestone 960AS. Still deciding on what I want when I wear out the Primacys.

225 PSS are my "ponds on the course" race tire (and my general purpose summer tire...)

As already noted, the things that will help your situation are in the opposite direction of your planned changes. Less dry grip and narrower tire will be what helps. Or, drive slower when conditions warrant.

It's flooding conditions here in DFW, slow the f#%$ down... No tire is going to deal with a couple inches of water on the road at that speed.

I've had great luck with Bridgestone S-04's. The MPSS is a great tire though, I have to speculate that you're doing it wrong :)

EDIT: Do you have traction control on? Are you sure you're hydroplaning, or just not used to how traction control feels with lots of water at speed perhaps?

don't drive over puddles @ any reasonable speed. O.o

just be careful when researching tires on tire rack. "wet traction" is different than hydroplane resistance. Hydroplaning resistance is related to the volume of water you can move/unit time. Things that help, as people have mentioned, are narrow tires and high tread depth (and slower car velocity). tread design helps as well.

The tire rack wet traction tests will test the traction capability when wet but not hydroplaning. Tires with more dry traction usually have more wet traction as well, though sometimes the issue is comparative traction, as in the difference between wet and dry traction may be more important as to the driver's expectations and likelihood of getting into an accident.

It sounds like hydroplaning is your main issue, so mostly just make sure you have enough tread depth and make sure your tire pattern has decent grooves. Are you running OEM suspension? if you are lowered and running camber, that is bad for hydroplaning resistance. Have you checked alignment? Also when checking groove depth, measure the inside most, middle most, and side most grooves. For most people. your inside most will be the most worn, but hardest to see, so you may think you have tread left but really don't. If you overinflate your tires, your middle grove may actually be the shallowest, so check that too. If your side groove is shallowest, you need more static camber, you track-fiend.

As people have said, for road noise and comfort stick with the 17's or go for 16's. Modern sidewalls are great, small wheels rule.

for an everyday street car, i personally think the hankook ventus v12's are the best tires "overall". i had the michelin PSS before on my previous car, and it's an awesome tire, but definitely on the expensive side when compared to other street tires. for the money, i find the v12's are hard to beat when considering overall factors.

I second this! I have the Ventus V12's in 245/35/18 and I love them. Great traction in the wet and dry, and they can be had for under $200/tire.

For those of you who kindly posted that I was going too fast so sorry but i never broke 50 mph the entire trip. And yes the traction control was on and at time I even had the snow mode on for extra traction need be. Yes i know what hydroplaning is compared to the lack of grip that is expected when the roads are wet. Thank you for those of you who were kind enough for your recommendations. I am looking into all seasons now as the life span of my SS's seemed to suck anyways.

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Snow mode doesn't give extra grip. All it does is help wheel spin on starts.

what do you mean ground pressure? wider tires doesnt make the car heavier. it will make the contact patch shorter probably so a larger percentage of the contact patch is used to move water rather than asphalt.

Pressure is force per area. Since the corner weight stays the same, decreasing the contact patch/area increases the pressure of the contact patch, which helps push the water into the grooves and helps with moving water.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=16

the contact area is a function of the weight of the car and the tire pressure (more or less). not so much a function of the width of the tire.

Not trying to be harsh, I was out in the weather too and there's plenty of cars in the ditches around here still from people going too fast. Another thing to keep in mind is that our cars are light, which is going to make it easier to hydroplane as well.


MPSS's aren't really designed to pump water out of the tread, they simply run a combinations of compounds that allows it to grip in dry and wet conditions. Meaning, if the road is wet, they're great, if the road has standing or moving water on it, you're going to hydroplane.


Tread designs that move water are pretty obvious (as most are derived from the first real testing for this stuff by Goodyear and the Aquatred tires that came from it). Main point is swept back grooves that channel the water out instead of trapping it under the tire.


Personal experiences, I had good luck with Kumho SPT's...but they don't last very well and it was on a far heavier car.



And it does this by starting in second gear instead of first, so it's mostly pointless if you can control your right foot (at least in the rain).

Bf-G sport comp 2
Kumho SPT


So wait was it 60mph or 50mph? Either way you should slow down. Esp if u can't control it 😐


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I went Continental ExtremeContact DWS06s, 255/40s.. but then again, I have to deal with snow, winter in general, and summer conditions. #allseasonpls

then why the hell would you say this if you never went over 50!?!?

Thanks for the replys, and I actually hydroplaned at 60 mph and I wasn't accelerating. This occurred during the storms yesterday in the Dallas ft worth area. After ******* myself I turned the snow mode on to help gain extra traction need be and to my surprise the tires broke loose again less than 30 minutes later at about the same speed. So I'm hoping a fatter tire will help with the issue.

Y realize people can read your previous post so no saving face for you

Texans thinking everyone else is Texan and can't remember what OP had said previously. Trying to no longer sound like a moron by pretending he wasn't going fast? I guess

Heard the new conti dws 06 is really good, wanna be a white mouse??


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I am not sure if the tires had the correct PSI in them at the time of this occurrence. If you got the air from the gas station by my house the other day you would know it was off by about 8psi. I think I should check my tires for proper air inflation more often. I need to order a new gauge.

If you have the cash i would go with the PSS but if you are low on cash. The pilot sport a/s 3 is also a good choice.

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