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snuff58 10-16-2015 03:51 PM

tire pressure sensors needed on track only wheels?
 
I have a different set of wheels ready for the track. Do I need to worry about the tire pressure sensors that are not on these wheels? '14BRZ

nikitopo 10-16-2015 03:55 PM

No need to worry. I changed my tires and rims and I'm not using any pressure sensors. You'll just see a yellow light in the dash. It doesn't turn on immediately.

vividracing 10-16-2015 03:56 PM

You'll be fine without them. You'll just get a low tire pressure warning on the dash.

snuff58 10-16-2015 04:21 PM

Thank you!

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CatDaddysBBQ 10-16-2015 06:15 PM

I switched my stock wheels (and the TPMS) to become winter wheels a year ago, knowing my other set I was going to buy for the April-November use wouldn't have the TPMS. Who cares? I check my pressure every few days (or at least once a week) anyway.

Seth Hawkins 10-30-2015 10:06 AM

Does not having the TPMS sensors installed prevent you from disabling any of the traction control/stability control systems? If so, wouldn't it be counter productive to NOT have them on your "track" wheels?

CBR600RR 10-30-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Seth Hawkins (Post 2436629)
Does not having the TPMS sensors installed prevent you from disabling any of the traction control/stability control systems? If so, wouldn't it be counter productive to NOT have them on your "track" wheels?


No, the only affect of having no TPMS sensors is a yellow dash light. nothing else

fumanchu1 10-30-2015 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth Hawkins (Post 2436629)
Does not having the TPMS sensors installed prevent you from disabling any of the traction control/stability control systems? If so, wouldn't it be counter productive to NOT have them on your "track" wheels?

Nah it just totals you car... op your car is totaled:bellyroll:

Seth Hawkins 10-31-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fumanchu1 (Post 2437191)
Nah it just totals you car... op your car is totaled:bellyroll:

LMAO

stevesnj 10-31-2015 12:14 PM

If you want all the nanny's and TPMS sensor off get an 86 Nanny, it's da bomb! I have one, it makes this fun car more fun.

http://www.beastronix.com/

jbailey8748 10-31-2015 08:43 PM

Or just do the "pedal dance"

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Cole 10-31-2015 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2437690)
If you want all the nanny's and TPMS sensor off get an 86 Nanny, it's da bomb! I have one, it makes this fun car more fun.

http://www.beastronix.com/

Yes, because it makes absolute perfect sense to drive around on public roads with no assists on.

stevesnj 11-01-2015 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2438136)
Yes, because it makes absolute perfect sense to drive around on public roads with no assists on.

Who says you turn it on on public roads. It's for track. Use at your own risk on the street. The OP said track also. There are cars and trucks on the road with no assists. :iono:

jbailey8748 11-01-2015 01:01 AM

Holy crap $160 for something you can do just as fast for free....

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stevesnj 11-01-2015 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jbailey8748 (Post 2438236)
Holy crap $160 for something you can do just as fast for free....

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It resets the TPMS, PD with ABS, and PD without ABS. PD if im not mistaken re activates after 30 mph. This does all that way faster than you can do it.

jbailey8748 11-01-2015 09:00 AM

Once you do the pedal dance you have to shut the car off to reset. And I'm curious about the tpms reset. What does that really do just reset it for a few miles till it realizes no tps or reset the pressure to what is in the wheels. Abs... That's a fuse and no big deal either.
I can see the tpms reset having some value if it does something useful, other than that this thing is something silly to wase money on

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Beastronix 11-01-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbailey8748 (Post 2438380)
Once you do the pedal dance you have to shut the car off to reset. And I'm curious about the tpms reset. What does that really do just reset it for a few miles till it realizes no tps or reset the pressure to what is in the wheels. Abs... That's a fuse and no big deal either.
I can see the tpms reset having some value if it does something useful, other than that this thing is something silly to wase money on

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@jbailey8748 Most my customers are race teams, drivers with non street legal cars, or avid track day drivers. The goal for the product is keeping the focus on the driving ahead. With this I spend most my time doing custom fully automated units so drivers simply start the car and go. They don't want to have to worry about handling any other tasks.

You're correct, the traditional pedal dance does indeed require the ignition to be cycled. One of the most common issues I hear is with grid or paddock being on a slope so they aren't even able to perform the pedal dance manually. My device communicates directly to the skid control ecu and can turn it on/off at will, no engine cycles. It can also have the mode instantly enabled upon engine start regardless of engine temp/RPM (temp has zero to do with the pedal dance).

Yes, ABS can be disabled by pulling the fuse or sensors, but you'll more than likely throw off the brake bias in the process. Most road course teams prefer ABS on with these cars but depending on the grip they sometimes need an on the fly way to disable ABS if it's being too intrusive. Pulling a fuse while on track isn't possible for instances like this.

The TPMS reset is simply a tool for drivers who might change out wheels at an event. When they are ready to head back home they can have the car go back into learning mode. I'd say most units I build we end up setting up TPMS disable simply because they are track cars and they never want to see the light again. Same reason I will deal with disabling other indicators such as airbag warnings for customers with gutted, no airbag cars. It's all about preventing driver distraction and guys in a longer race hate to see the TPMS start blinking every 25-50 miles.

As for value, the amount put into a single unit is a loss for me. There is no factory cranking these out, every single unit is handmade by me and then tested in my own vehicle. Custom units alone I can spend sometimes 2 days making sure everything is programmed and functioning perfectly. This usually includes at least 2 hours of driving as well. Over a year designing and investing on a top notch harness and learning the exact CAN communication spec of Toyota ecm so quality could be the best there is. CAN interfaces alone are typically $300 for one as capable as what I've managed to build up. In fact, there is a Chinese knock off that does only the pedal dance via button... They are charging $500 USD.

Don't mean to ramble ;) just a lot of effort put into these so I could sell them as cheap as possible. I'm an enthusiast as well and one thing I hate more than anything is excessive price hikes.

jbailey8748 11-01-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastronix (Post 2438443)
@jbailey8748 Most my customers are race teams, drivers with non street legal cars, or avid track day drivers. The goal for the product is keeping the focus on the driving ahead. With this I spend most my time doing custom fully automated units so drivers simply start the car and go. They don't want to have to worry about handling any other tasks.

You're correct, the traditional pedal dance does indeed require the ignition to be cycled. One of the most common issues I hear is with grid or paddock being on a slope so they aren't even able to perform the pedal dance manually. My device communicates directly to the skid control ecu and can turn it on/off at will, no engine cycles. It can also have the mode instantly enabled upon engine start regardless of engine temp/RPM (temp has zero to do with the pedal dance).

Yes, ABS can be disabled by pulling the fuse or sensors, but you'll more than likely throw off the brake bias in the process. Most road course teams prefer ABS on with these cars but depending on the grip they sometimes need an on the fly way to disable ABS if it's being too intrusive. Pulling a fuse while on track isn't possible for instances like this.

The TPMS reset is simply a tool for drivers who might change out wheels at an event. When they are ready to head back home they can have the car go back into learning mode. I'd say most units I build we end up setting up TPMS disable simply because they are track cars and they never want to see the light again. Same reason I will deal with disabling other indicators such as airbag warnings for customers with gutted, no airbag cars. It's all about preventing driver distraction and guys in a longer race hate to see the TPMS start blinking every 25-50 miles.

As for value, the amount put into a single unit is a loss for me. There is no factory cranking these out, every single unit is handmade by me and then tested in my own vehicle. Custom units alone I can spend sometimes 2 days making sure everything is programmed and functioning perfectly. This usually includes at least 2 hours of driving as well. Over a year designing and investing on a top notch harness and learning the exact CAN communication spec of Toyota ecm so quality could be the best there is. CAN interfaces alone are typically $300 for one as capable as what I've managed to build up. In fact, there is a Chinese knock off that does only the pedal dance via button... They are charging $500 USD.

Don't mean to ramble ;) just a lot of effort put into these so I could sell them as cheap as possible. I'm an enthusiast as well and one thing I hate more than anything is excessive price hikes.

Solid explanation. Didn't mean come off as down playing what this was or your work, this could be a real tool for someone who races.

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Cole 11-01-2015 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2438203)
Who says you turn it on on public roads. It's for track. Use at your own risk on the street. The OP said track also. There are cars and trucks on the road with no assists. :iono:

Well, when you talk about it being "more fun" that implies a lot more than just puttering around town.

stevesnj 11-02-2015 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole (Post 2438914)
Well, when you talk about it being "more fun" that implies a lot more than just puttering around town.

I have used it off track...in an empty parking lot to do proper donuts. :burnrubber: But not everyday are all the nanny's off. That's just not safe. Put trac and VSC off with ABS on is fine for experienced drivers. But as Josh says it's geared towards track cars. I can drive with all nanny's off since this is my first car with TRAC and VSC so I can handle the car on the street without.


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