Turbo Build - Goal 300whp at best bang for buck
 

To lay the groundwork, I have a series blue brz with basically just a cat back and a couple other minor mods as I've been contemplating the direction I want to take my car over the last several months.

I've decided I want to jump right into the power and build it to a goal that's reminiscent of my old mustang gt and 03 cobra. That's why I've chosen the 300whp as my initial goal. Later on down the road I'll either build the motor or swap the motor and strive for higher numbers but I'll be perfectly content with 300 to the wheels for quite a while.

I want to do everything right, the first time, and have it be as reliable as possible. This is my daily driver and now only vehicle. I'm looking to get a good value for my money but don't mind spending more if it's worth it for x or y reason.

I'm open to all turbo kit suggestions or other advise, 93 octane, I'm not really interested in e85 as it'll be a big hassle at my location. I came into this thinking I can be essentially done for $6000

My goals with the car it's a daily driver street car, some car shows, and a few auto x events for fun.

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I've attached some screen shots of the several options I've looked at and are considering so far - the fbm turbo kit - jdl turbo kit - Greddy turbo kit - sbd turbo kit - and ptuning turbo kit

Dude not to hurt and feel bad but they is a thread in the sticky with all budget turbo kit and i lost count how many thread are
with the same question
my advise more research in the FI section they have all turbo kits

come out to the open house at pure automotive tomorrow and check out some cars. there should be people with just about all of those kits there you can talk to and get real time info from.

Done^ real experience is magnitudes (on the order of billions) times better than a forum response.

10k for the ptuning puts it out of range but it's a solid kit for sure.

Yah Ptuning is probably the best overall engineered solution. If you're looking for bang for the buck and decent engineering then the SBD kit is hard to beat, probably what I'll end up going for eventually. But as other said, talk to owners to get a real idea. Also keep in mind you'll probably want to budget for a custom tune, oil cooler, AEM failsafe, and maybe a clutch.

All of those turbo kits will get the job done. So if best bang for the buck is your concern, then go with the cheapest. I lump those kits into 3 categories:

Small turbo kits:

SBD (Greddy clone)
Greddy

Forward Mount Garrett/Precision Turbo Kits:

JDL
Full Blown
MAP

Low Side Mount Garrett Turbo Kit:

PTUNING

I would lean toward the Full Blown or the PTUNING kit depending on your plans for the car, but they are definitely not the best bang for the buck. If you want higher numbers and plan a built motor down the road then the Full Blown or the PTUNING kit with a GTX30 turbo might become more of a better value.

You took the high installed price quote. The kit isn't 10k. The price is on order of the other high end kits when you factor in the oil return pump setup.

Appreciate the heads up guys! I really wanted to make it out there tomorrow but I'm unfortunately working open to close 7-7 basically -- I tell myself it'll help me purchase the kit at least.. Lol

Hoping to make it out to the next one held.

Appreciate it
Yeah I don't want that to seem misleading their kit is basically 7k

Are there other kits I didn't post you would recommend as well?

I'm looking for a 300whp setup that is absolutely reliable -- I know I'll end up going for more power down the road but it may be 2 years to where getting ready for that now could be a waste. 300 to the wheels on pump gas will certainly make me happy for awhile and then I can keep it from becoming a money pit... Or trying! Lol

Late game plan is either a built motor or engine swap, but as stated not for years.

If you were me, with the rough idea of what I want, what route would you take?

I only have 5000 miles on my car so far so I'll use the stock clutch as long as it will last, will figure out which one to have on hand when that day comes. Does the fail safe deliver or is it better to just use a normal afr gauge. What is the best oil cooling setup for my needs?

The AEM failsafe works well for overboost protection (boost creep, watergate issue, etc). It can signal an electronic boost controller (also I think you can wire it up somehow with the stock ECU, ecutek, and a solenoid) to cut boost if it exceeds a certain threshold, or if the wideband O2 sensor detects a lean condition. Can really save your hide if set up right.

Search around for oil coolers people are using with the turbo kit you like, that way you know there won't be any fitment issues.


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I went with the most reliable way but it still ended up costing me closer to $8500 for upgrades on kit, Clutch and a fullblown 3" exhaust. If I would of had labor, I know it would of been over 10k.

Don't take shortcuts. You'll end up costing yourself an engine. If your budget doesn't seem to fit it at the moment then keep saving. It's worth it, I promise!

If you go supercharged you'll make less hp using a base kit without supporting mods. but, you won't need clutch right away and you'll spend way less. I personally have always had Garrett turbos on my bikes and cars so you won't get any super charger support from me.

Some turbos are oil and water cooled and some aren't. Some turbos have ball bearings and some don't.

Study your ass off.

I'm running the Treadstone kit (BW EFR6258 turbo) and have been very happy with it. I'm at 300 whp and DD to/from work. I have 37k miles on it with no issues.

Speed by design kit hands down. The v2 runs 10psi, and it costs 3k free shipping I've seen a good amount of guys hit 290-300 whp. Easy to do yourself as well.

I could probably even help you install it considering you are in northern VA.

Total cost, everything out the door with labor, shipping, tax, etc costs 8-15k easy with a 4-6k turbo kit. 12-13k out the door is normal, I got quoted 14.5k with a FBM base kit and all the goodies I will mention, plus labor. Keep that in mind when wanting F.I.

Turbo kit-5000
Cast oil pan if you aren't a welder- 350
Turbo kit installation-1,300
Thermal coating to keep heat down- 300
Gauges are 200-600, 300 for AEM failsafe
Gauge mounts are 50-250, 180 for a good one because they have to be custom made
Installation of gauges- 300
Clutch- 500-700
Clutch install is 500-850 for a 7.1 hour job (you will need a clutch for sure at 300whp, 275...maybe not),
Oil cooler to keep temps down- 650
Oil cooler install-300
Radiator- 330
Radiator install- 300
Ecutek tune- 500
Ecutek cable- 300
Tax was like 500

$11,960 + other stuff

Now do the math.
Add in fluids and oil, exhaust wrap, turbo blanket, and shipping too and it gets up there easy! If you want to do the install yourself, factor in the cost of tools.
Then if you want full exhaust it will be another chunk of change, 2 grand. For kits, SBD is gonna be the cheapest, but FBM, P tuning, and JDL are a good bit better quality though and will keep good resale. Like someone above said, supercharged is a lot cheaper, it's basically just the kit and installations are a whole lot easier/take less time. Downsides though are that you don't have much room for growth & more power above 300whp. Most kits get you 220-250 whp, up to 280. It's sad it costs so much, but if you want a boosted twin you gotta pay to play!

Have you guys heard of the Crawford Plus 100 kit? As the name suggests, it adds around 100+ whp to the car and was created to be used with a stock car. Apparently it is very good, and the curve looks nice as well. Haven't seen it irl tho. Please lmk if you've had experience with it.

Here's a link: http://crawfordperformance.com/produ...100-turbo-kit/

This is why sometimes i say to my self if it is woth investing all that money in a new car or you can buy a s2k,e46 m3,build a kmiata lots of other cars
sometimes i say sell my car and buy one already boosted

I love my SBD kit!

Junk

There are other kits that produce more power for less money. Also, that crawford kit seems to require E85 for what little power it provides.

Their dynos are questionable. But even assuming 250whp on E85 (which is generous), several less-expensive kits will support 350whp on E85. That's a huge difference.

Don't you need new trans and axles as well if you want reliable? Isnt a used Cayman a lot more reliable and economical than a turbo brz?

Are you running that kit as well? I'm in Fairfax (Burke 22039) - you're always welcome!

Can you tell me more about your experience with it? Did you install yourself, what did you add in conjunction to the kit, what ended up being your total price otd, would you do it again or go with a different setup? Also lets see some pictures! :coolpics:

Awesome to hear of almost 40k miles and zero issues at basically 5 grand certainly in the ball park of other "premium" kits --- what did you add in addition to the kit?

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Excellent input, thank you.

I was leaning towards s/c route due to it being cheaper but the torque is just so much better on the turbos for these car it makes it a no brainer for my goals.

I'm going to install as much as I can, however several things are probably out of my capabilities so I'd either need a good bit of help or to take it to a shop. Really trying to build the car with my hands though regardless of the headaches lol

Any general consensus on full exhaust for these? I want a great sound but I daily drive so minimal drone is obviously my goal. 3" seems necessary size

How happy have you been with your setup (see it in your signature)
Yeah on these cars turbo is definitely the route I need to go for my goals.
What setups are typically more reliable than the other?
How do you like their exhaust and what clutch did you choose and is it still great for daily driving?
That's a really good point ^
Fitment issues could certainly make me lose my mind lol :bonk:

First some resources....
@spdbydesign (Chris Riggs) the owner has the best customer service I've ever experieced!

SBD Turbo Kit thread:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58514

SBD Turbo Kit Facebook group (best resource):
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SBDF...itOwnersGroup/

Here's my install:

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[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IcELMz4gc"]SBD Turbo Kit install (timelapse). 2014 Scion FR-S - YouTube[/ame]


Dyno tuned 8/9/15. Best run. 292whp / 233 lb-ft at ~10psi on the v1 kit.

Mods:
SBD Turbo Kit v1 10psi
Motiv Overpipe
Injen Catback Exhaust
Perrin lightweight crank pulley
Grimspeed MBC

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[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQkL1_Wt3I"]2014 Scion FR-S SBD Turbo - Dyno Tune - YouTube[/ame]



I actually have an appointment for another dyno tune this Wednesday, and I'm shooting for around 320whp on ~10psi 93oct. With

Mods that Ive added for this new tune are :
Motiv Catted front pipe
Cold Air Intake by shiv
3 inch MAF Pipe

With this cold weather coming in this setup feels like an absolute beast! I would highly recommend the kit for the value and the customer service that Chris offers through himself and the Facebook group. :cheers:

Price Breakdown on Turbo Components:

• SBD v1 Turbo Kit /w Oil Pan - $3150
• Kate Cool Oil Cooler - $600
• Extras (heat wrap, BOV tubing, sealant, clamps, etc) - $150
• Drift Armor Crash Bar - $150
• Motiv Overpipe - $270
• Motiv Catted Front Pipe - $300
• SBD 3 inch MAF Pipe - $125
• CAI for SBD by shiv - $175
• Grimmspeed MBC - $90
• Tanabe Revel VLS Gauges - $400
• Block8head Custom Vent Gauge Pod - $120
• Ecutek License - $300
• 1st Dyno Tune - $500
• 2nd Dyno Tune - $250

TOTAL: $6580

So what people usually say rings true for my build..... take whatever the "base" price is of the kit and double it. This is with the V1 kit mind you, if you got the current V2 there are alot of cost savings especially if you go with the OFT solution.

@SON1C hopefully this gives you some good insight.

All I added was a 3" single exit TBE custom built by Treadstone. I also had HRI Tuning (James Martin) retune after the exhaust install. I was at 285whp prior to the retune/exhaust. I haven't dynoed it since the retune but the car is a fair amount faster now.

3inch exhaust isn't needed at all unless your goal is around 400whp, then the stock exhaust starts to restrict horsepower. Stock exhaust is fine for 300whp, so choose a cat-back exhaust that sounds good. Full exhaust is only around 8-12hp gain, not really worth the 2 grand it costs. Header nets the most hp, then catback, then fp+op are probably 2-3 hp combined. Turbo kits come with a manifold anyway (header), which is the restrictive part. 3" full exhaust vs a 2.5 " only nets around 3hp, and usually adds a good bit of drone, although turbo spool is faster by around 500-700rpm. Just things to consider.
I would get a 2.5 inch catback, and if you want to turbo, get a loud one like the Greddy evo3, ft86sf v1 non-resonated, Invidia n1 etc. because the turbo quiets stuff down a good bit.

Also you mention reliable and 300whp, I hate to say it but you can't have those 2 in a sentence. Doubling whp to 300 puts a lot of stress on engine and drivetrain components, shit breaks so you better be ready. Keeping low boost like 6-7psi would be on the safer side, but understand you are pushing a lot more pressure on the engine and the chances of things breaking are a lot higher, maybe even likely over long term. I think Edlebrock and Cosworth offer warranties, so choose one that has a powertrain/engine warranty. These usually are low 7psi tunes though...

For a clutch, get an Exedy stage 1 clutch, or ACT sb7-hdss are good, easy to drive clutches. The ACT one is rated at 275lb/ft, so if you are wanting more to the wheels choose a different one.

Definitely join the SBD turbo kit Facebook page if you want to get more info on options. Or email us (sales@openflashperformance.com) and we can put together a 300whp package that will be ridiculous cost effective (custom tuning included).