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Major Toyota FT-86 News! Scion FT-S, Subaru AWD, Production Model in SoCal!
We just got word of some breaking news regarding the Toyota FT-86 and Subaru variant. Back in October 2010 we received word the FT-86 would be badged a Scion in the USA. Today, we have further clarification that the car will be officially release as the Scion FT-S, not the FR-S. FT, which stands for "Future Toyota" makes less sense than the previous Trademark filed by Toyota called FR-S. It makes no sense to us either, but were just reporting whats been stated from recent Toyota Executive meetings! If you didn't know, Scion's are sold without rebates, and without Finance options, thus was the major decision to release the FT-S as a Scion. Toyota expects the car to retain upwards of 65% of its residual value after three years, like a Toyota should.

Mark your calendars, as previously reported, the car will debut officially as the Scion FT-S at the next NY Auto Show on April 22nd.

Further reports stated the engine would be a 2.5 liter rather than the current concept 2.0 liter, they expect the FT-S to compete with the current top sports cars in the 20-40k range. Luckily the price is still reported as lower $20k range for the Scion FT-S, and get this the Subaru model could hit upwards of $40k range! Go figure, but AWD Fans, don't retreat just yet, it sounds like an AWD model will hit production for Subaru. This decision was made because Toyota doesn't want the brands competing with each other. It was said the Scion FT-S and Subaru variant are based off a modified WRX chassis, while this sounds possible we still remain sceptic of the news. Previously it was rumored to be based off a Legacy chassis.

Production for the Scion FT-S could start in 4Q 2011, although this depends on the success of the Scion IQ which hits production in May 2011. If the iQ doesn't live up to its expectations then focus will be shifted to the Scion FT-S. Subaru's variant could also hit production at the same time, we heard the model is out of production but we couldn't get further clarification on its status.

Toyota is is starting a major Scion marketing campaign starting today. More ads will be shows on more channels which had never previously been targeted by Scion. Such as Life and Oxygen. The biggest focus will be on the drifting market, which Toyota has coined the hottest automotive market in America. As you might of expected, the FT-S will be everywhere in the drifting community.

Scion debated calling the FT-86 the FT-D for (Drift), but decided against the naming. Scion is apparently targeting ‪Tanner Foust as their official drifter for the FT-S who currently drifts the Rockstar Scion TC.

An official Production model is in existence right now in SoCal, in the hands of select shops, namely TRD, Five Axis, 5Zigen for modification fitments and testing.
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!@#$ Scion... :bs::thumbdown::mad0260:

Hmm... There are a lot of 'could''s in there. I'm thinking that while there probably will be a Scion version of the car (labeled the FT-S or FR-S) there will probably also be a slightly higher-end Toyota version of it, as well. ;)

At the very least, it's still probably going to be called a Toyota something down under! :D

I'd only be dissapointed if the Subaru version sells for $40k, most other points made in the article sound fair and logical.

But you need to name the source before I'm going to take any of it too seriously.

Someone has to leak photos of that "production" version. A source is still needed.

Two words,:bs:.

From a source close to Toyota, FT-86 is branded as Ferrari and put on sale in Volkswagen dealerships.

If the source is really reliable, they would have shown spy shot or whatever.
If it's true, Bye bye Toyota.

I had a couple of posts here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...p?t=903&page=2 about why and how the Scion fuck-up could happen.

I still want confirmation. The pic he posted isn't the GenII, so... Troll?

But what I failed to take into account at the time, what how if Scion got their fRS, it wouldn't generate a tremendous amount of sales for the brand. Guys like me will go to Subaru, or buy a used one so I don't have to deal with the extra-douchey Scion sales reps, and it will also cannibalize tC sales drastically unless there is a massive price difference.

If they really do this, Scion is on the same path that Saturn just took. The FT86 will not sell in the volume that Scion needs to save the brand. Much like how the Sky was irrelevant business-wise to Saturn (pretty to look at, real performance, no-one bought them). As for it being a halo car to get people into tC's or xB's? Doubtful. I bet in a Scion-branding case a lot of FT86 buyers would be former tC owners. So the company makes a few extra thousand selling an fRS, instead of just selling another tC when they want to trade.

At the very best they get to pad the sales numbers because the 'first on the block' kids who've just got their new gen tC, will trade in right away for an fRS/FT86. So the release year sales for the whole brand will look really nice ('Look our brilliant idea worked. We saved Scion!!!') but the later years will not follow the initial sales. And the FT86 will be seen as a one-year wonder and canned. Possibly with the whole brand. Like Saturn.

Also just read a feature on Scion's 'tuning' scene in Import Tuner. They are still GIVING AWAY the cars AND $15000 to select teams to 'customize' their cars. It is not a real, customer driven movement!

Fuck Scion.

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Guys can I ask a question?

Why do you care if its Scion badge or not, after all its just a badge you know??

why your worried if the FT-86 is made from japan, made from toyota, driven by toyota, tested by toyota, and everything is from toyota except the badge..

the badge will not make any different on the car you know?? after all its just a "Badge"

It affects the buying and owning experience, as well as what the priority and range of aftermarket support is. And how much aftermarket support will be needed from the start.

Let me ask you then. Which one sound better? Toyota FT-S or Scion FT-S?

I have a cynical read on the term FT- S: future Toyota - Scion!! Btw, if this were true, Toyota will be dead pretty soon.

Lol Its gonna turn in to a Toyota vs scion thread again..
All I'm gonna say is that sky looks like a nice car, if Holden offered it here in oz I wouldn't buy it cus it looks like babrie but insee how this relates to the 86
Also, the ft wont be made in jap and improted to the states, Toyota USA is one of the biggest manufacturing plants Toyota has (if not the biggest) and I'm fairly sure they will make the usdm models..
If it does get canned as a scion, at least the jdm plants will make it as it surely will succeed in japan, so that's good news for me as most of our models are restickerd, flashed jdm cars :)

I thought we heard it was going to be made in a Subaru/FHI plant in Japan?


Fuck Scion. (Hmmm, could save me some typing if I just made that my sig...)

Oooh yeah forgot bout that :)
Nice sig btw

Agreed, Toyota gains nothing but a possibility at "something". Who knows what. Could be failure, could be success.

If Toyota actually wore the pants, told the ***s in Scion to get their own car and sold the FT-86 as a Toyota they wouldn't be wondering if it'll save the failing brand or not. They'll be showering in the money they made and thinking about the next revision and how to make it better for us.

Since all Scions are technically Toyota's (whether by branding or just b/c Toyota is the parent company) I'm not sure where Scion would "get their own car."

I don't like Scion either but it is Toyota's responsibility to give one final jolt of electricity in hopes to revive them. If the 86 doesn't do it, nothing will. It's a big gamble though.

To be on a positive note-it'll be nice to see a Scion that's not another stupid "release edition" with nothing more than special paint and wheels.

Who knows? Ricers will love it.

Toyota sounds so legendary. Toyota is a special name. What will a new-born brand do for me? hm... I don't have to say too much. I'm a badge whore.
It's acceptable to go from Lexus to Toyota, but there is no fu***** way for me to go from Lexus to Scion. I wouldn't have waited for the car either if it didn't have heart of boxer. Toyota should play it safe because Subaru will eat all the sale when Toyota version labeled Scion badge.

I concur that this is a hock of bullshit.









At the very least it better be.

Going from Lexus to Subaru shouldn't be too bad. I would very much like to go from Scion to Subaru (not many things I can move to that would be a downgrade). But I guess we can all agree we would very much like a Toyota badged version.

Scion is the brand that took the cars and made them look "cool" so younger driver would buy them. I don't care if Toyota makes the cars for Scion, in my eyes Scion took them and re-molded them to be in their image and attached fancy marketing and racing teams to their FF Camry powered cars. I'm sure the guys who "run" scion orgasmed when the TOYOTA FT-86 concept started cruising around and said "we have to have this car so we can attach it to an over hyped racing team!"

Scion is just a wanna be car company, I mean really. They don't have anything that is their "own". It's all remodeled Toyota's. Poorly done at that.

Flame suit equipped, I know Dragonatti is out there somewhere ready to stuff it down my throat.

He's busy playing GT5 :bellyroll:

Here is the source:

http://*************/forums/f9/major-toyota-ft-86-news-scion-ft-s-subaru-awd-production-model-socal-466/

the source is just another forum! the source needs to quote a source!

thats fine by me, I'd join if I had a PS3 and the game lol

yeah no kidding, otherwise we end up with another Car and Driver... lawl

It's just the whole Scion movement that I find terribly annoying. The setup in the corner of the dealership with either a young chick or an emo dude, a rack of ugly wheels, the exclusive financing, they have 3 cars and all of them are slow and ugly.


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no question in my mind. all these idiots coming on here with "articles" like this are really getting on my nerves. i wish i had a ban stick.

Toyota FT-86

I have a mission for you SoCal boys.
Go take a tour at trd or five axis and scope the place out for these "production" ft's

+1. I want picture which shows the badge very clear.

TRD HQ is apparently in Costa Mesa (only 15 minutes from my place) and Five Axis is located in Huntington Beach (where I work). Maybe I should swing by?

Side Note: I nearly :barf: when I saw the tC on the homepage of Five Axis. No offense to the company and their employees. I'm sure they're all great, hard-working people.

wow i work in costa mesa. i'll have to look those locations up.

Hhaa if you guys hate Scion so much, just debadge it and put a Toyota badge just like all the honda/acura boys!

It would be a great idea for a ricer.

True. All the Honda variants are different in a lot of ways compared to there Acura counterparts. Nothing bugs me more than seeing an Acura badged as a Honda etc... RSX, Integra

I'm going to debadge mine too even if it's a Toyota. The car looks way too sick to have the burden of a brand. Think about the Genesis, it looks almost like a Bentley without the Hyundai logo.

Say what? The only 2 similarities are 1 motor and 4 wheels. :sigh:I did it again.

Even you d-badge your car, what do you expect people to call? People still say that it's just a Scion. If it's marketed as a Scion, even though you re-badge as Ferrari, it's still a Scion. I'm not saying that Scion is bad, but it's doesn't do anything for me like Toyota does.

Yeah right, and I'm the Queen of England.:bellyroll::bellyroll::bellyroll:

I'm sure what he meant is that if you were to debadge a Genesis, there would be many people out there who would not know what kind of car it was but would assume that it was a very expensive one (when, in fact, the Genesis is not, compared to other luxury brand pricing).