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chate 09-23-2015 05:02 PM

HKS v3 supercharger
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EGb_on...ature=youtu.be


Thoughts? Sorry if repost!

Kami Speed 09-23-2015 05:55 PM

I think the new kit is awesome. 268 HP on 93. And for the price, its not bad :)

kch 09-23-2015 06:01 PM

Can someone more knowledgeable than me offer input on this vs. the JRSC? They're both centrifugal, but I hear next to nothing about the HKS systems. I like that the JRSC has so much track testing behind it, but the HKS looks interesting.

themajesticone 09-23-2015 06:05 PM

I can't use sound. What is the differences between the v2 and v3? They look practically the same.

kch 09-23-2015 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themajesticone (Post 2399468)
I can't use sound. What is the differences between the v2 and v3? They look practically the same.

From the other thread:

Quote:

V2 - V3 differences:
Larger intercooler
Larger intercooler piping
Larger s/c inlet piping
Larger s/c pulley (reduced compressor speed compared to V2)
Lack of s/c inlet restrictor
Flash Editor calibrations (optional)

There is a V2 > V3 upgrade kit available:
#12002-KK002 "Version Up" kit includes the new piping, pulley, and belt.

As for the GT Supercharger itself:
V1 & V3 7040L Superchargers use the same 5-bolt pulleys, but the compressor sides are clocked a little differently.

V2 Superchargers are clocked like a V1, but use a single bolt pulley which is unique to the V2 7040L.

MisterSheep 09-23-2015 06:24 PM

In for updates :)

learnerspermit 09-23-2015 09:48 PM

Like the idea of the pre programmed tunes

Yoda 09-24-2015 09:10 AM

HKS has always been a good brand they have been in the game a long time.

Scott@HKSUSA 09-24-2015 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kch (Post 2399456)
Can someone more knowledgeable than me offer input on this vs. the JRSC? They're both centrifugal, but I hear next to nothing about the HKS systems. I like that the JRSC has so much track testing behind it, but the HKS looks interesting.

HKS started racing & setting records with supercharged FA20s in 2013.
http://www.ft86club.com/?p=2613

For anyone attending 86Fest this weekend, I'll be in the HKS booth with two V3 equipped cars for everyone to check out. We'll have some other FA20 goodies on display, we'll be giving away HKS t-shirts, and we'll be conducting raffles for ride-alongs in the HKSUSA FR-S with Formula D driver Michael Essa.

raven1231 09-24-2015 09:57 AM

Kit looks awesome! Definitely not bad for the price

Timmy_Jones 09-24-2015 10:22 AM

Any word on their tuners working with a header already installed on the car?

RIP.S2000 09-24-2015 11:26 AM

Man, I wish I could go to 86fest to see this thing in person.

uspspro 09-24-2015 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@HKSUSA (Post 2400010)
HKS started racing & setting records with supercharged FA20s in 2013.
http://www.ft86club.com/?p=2613

For anyone attending 86Fest this weekend, I'll be in the HKS booth with two V3 equipped cars for everyone to check out. We'll have some other FA20 goodies on display, we'll be giving away HKS t-shirts, and we'll be conducting raffles for ride-alongs in the HKSUSA FR-S with Formula D driver Michael Essa.

@Scott@HKSUSAScott - Any chance HKS USA will get it thing CARB EO'd?

Efferalgan 09-24-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themajesticone (Post 2399468)
I can't use sound. What is the differences between the v2 and v3? They look practically the same.

The main difference in fact is that they returned to the original design of the V1 blower as the V2 design with 1-bolt pulley attachement simply doesn't last long in applications heavier than grandma's daily driving (my personal opinion based on 3 failed V2s whose owners I know personally, myself inclusive).

Another important difference is that now they are offering official HKS tunes.

Scott@HKSUSA 09-24-2015 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 2400044)
Any word on their tuners working with a header already installed on the car?

The calibrations supplied in the Flash Editor (and the dyno results) were generated using the required HKS Spark Plugs, HKS Stainless Exhaust Manifold, HKS Stainless Center Pipe, and HKS Hi-Power Spec-L exhaust. I'm confident a comparable header/manifold will still work with the pre-loaded calibrations however, the degree of difference in performance vs. the HKS manifold will be the degree of difference in driveability and output. Of course you can always have one of our Pro-Dealers tweak or create a custom cal. for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by uspspro (Post 2400155)
@Scott@HKSUSAScott - Any chance HKS USA will get it thing CARB EO'd?

It's been discussed but at the moment there is no schedule for certification.

Timmy_Jones 09-24-2015 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@HKSUSA (Post 2400250)
The calibrations supplied in the Flash Editor (and the dyno results) were generated using the required HKS Spark Plugs, HKS Stainless Exhaust Manifold, HKS Stainless Center Pipe, and HKS Hi-Power Spec-L exhaust. I'm confident a comparable header/manifold will still work with the pre-loaded calibrations however, the degree of difference in performance vs. the HKS manifold will be the degree of difference in driveability and output. Of course you can always have one of our Pro-Dealers tweak or create a custom cal. for you.



It's been discussed but at the moment there is no schedule for certification.

Thank you, Scott. Is the HKS 'Exhaust Manifold' an Equal or Unequal Length header? or is it a manifold? Do you guys run a cat?

I have the Tomei UEL Uncatted header and Tomei Overpipe.

Scott@HKSUSA 09-24-2015 01:49 PM

No cat, UEL:
http://www.hks-power.co.jp/en/produc...haust/db/15331

djdnz 09-24-2015 01:53 PM

I was interested in the HKS V2, until I read the difficulties the people who had them had when they broke down. It seemed very difficult and costly to get a replacement blower from HKS - are you guys doing anything to streamline the replacement process? Is there a warranty?

Scott@HKSUSA 09-24-2015 02:56 PM

All HKS products have a warranty valid for the territory they are sold in. So if you're in the USA, and you buy a HKS product from a US retailer, your warranty is valid through the retailer you purchased it from.

If you're in the USA and you buy a HKS product from a shop in Japan (for example), you'll have to pursue a warranty case with that shop in Japan.

If you're in Russia (for example) and import a HKS part from a distributor in Japan, you'll have to pursue your warranty case with that distributor in Japan. There's no way for anyone outside that territory to intervene or help.

Our objective isn't to run anyone through a ringer if there is an issue, but we do have to follow the rules and verify legitimacy case by case. And to date, there have been 0 HKS s/c failures in the USA.

Lee 09-24-2015 03:43 PM

How much bigger is the intercooler? the picture on HKSusa site of the 'kit' looks exactly like the V2.

Scott@HKSUSA 09-24-2015 04:11 PM

The core is thicker, but I don't have a spec from Japan and my car is on a trailer somewhere between MI and CA so I can't measure at the moment :(

JazzleSAURUS 09-24-2015 04:18 PM

Money shots of the install? Dyno charts? More info?

Binary_fission 09-24-2015 06:06 PM

If it's not carb certified no point. I'm speaking for people in CA...

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midnight23 09-24-2015 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binary_fission (Post 2400658)
If it's not carb certified no point. I'm speaking for people in CA...

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

some people like to live dangerously. :burnrubber:

kch 09-24-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binary_fission (Post 2400658)
If it's not carb certified no point. I'm speaking for people in CA...

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Roughly 90% of people in the US live outside of California, so....

Efferalgan 09-25-2015 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@HKSUSA (Post 2400432)
...And to date, there have been 0 HKS s/c failures in the USA.

Did you actually sell any V2s officially in the US? Earlier on this forum it was mentioned that HKS is making V3 for release in the US and V2 was not supposed for the US market.

Also, I'm curious why HKS switched back to the original V1 design of the blower if V2 was so good?

ultra 09-25-2015 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@HKSUSA (Post 2400250)
The calibrations supplied in the Flash Editor (and the dyno results) were generated using the required HKS Spark Plugs, HKS Stainless Exhaust Manifold, HKS Stainless Center Pipe, and HKS Hi-Power Spec-L exhaust. I'm confident a comparable header/manifold will still work with the pre-loaded calibrations however, the degree of difference in performance vs. the HKS manifold will be the degree of difference in driveability and output. Of course you can always have one of our Pro-Dealers tweak or create a custom cal. for you.



It's been discussed but at the moment there is no schedule for certification.

Still not 100% certain at this point, based on the info here or on the HKS USA or JP websites, whether the flash kit tunes available for the v3 supercharger are intended work with both cats removed or only one.

I ask because on the HKS websites themselves I see various options for exhaust manifolds with and without hi flow cats, plus an 'R type' or 'super exhaust' version which uses no catalytic converter in the header itself but one it in the front/centre pipe.

http://www.hks-power.co.jp/en/produc...ust/index.html

It'd be great to know for sure what type of exhaust + cat (or completely cat less) combo the included tunes are intended to work with.

Fully understand that you guys won't be able to confirm that the flashable tunes will work with each and every permutation and combination of aftermarket exhaust parts out there but if you could please at least double confirm the exact specs of the exhaust components that the included flashable tunes were designed to work with (part numbers/specs/cats etc.) then it'd make it tons easier for folks to determine whether their own exhaust setups would work with the flash kit tunes or not.

Sorry to be pedantic but knowing whether or not the HKS flash option will work with my HKS exhaust setup (I have the header + exhaust combo 'SUPER EXUAUST SYSTEM' on the JDM website) would be a major purchase decision point for me personally.

I like the refinements that have been made since V1, the price is very competitive and I have been looking for a quality FI kit that comes with dealer/out of the box tunes that will work with my (decatted) exhaust setup for EVER - literally years. If this is indeed such a solution then you will have made my year and will take my money.

Assuming that these flashable tunes in question here are NOT Ecutek?

wbradley 09-26-2015 05:38 PM

I believe their system with the optional OTS tunes will include a device similar to the OFT with several pre-calibrated tunes. The catback is not vital to a tune and most likely it will include calibration for both the first and second cat deleted.

ultra 09-27-2015 06:16 AM

If it pans out like you say that'd be absolutely awesome.

Meanwhile I'd really like some more detailed info from the vendor since I've been told in numerous other FI threads that missing/different cats will throw off flow and back pressure rates, which would in turn cause problems with any canned CARB or base tunes designed to work with the stock exhaust setup.

The same thing could apply here depending on what the vendor tunes are designed for, which could mean huge headaches.

wbradley 09-27-2015 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra (Post 2402700)
If it pans out like you say that'd be absolutely awesome.

Meanwhile I'd really like some more detailed info from the vendor since I've been told in numerous other FI threads that missing/different cats will throw off flow and back pressure rates, which would in turn cause problems with any canned CARB or base tunes designed to work with the stock exhaust setup.

The same thing could apply here depending on what the vendor tunes are designed for, which could mean huge headaches.

I don't think there will be any issues if the OTS tune for high flow, deleted and dual deleted cats is conservative. They might not squeeze every ounce thru the power curve for a given octane, but they should do the job where dyno tuning isn't a good option, probably at a lower cost.

I had an F- con OTS base tune for my V1 unit which seemed OK until I had a tune to fit my unique setup. My final numbers showed 275 peak HP at 7k rpm and the dyno graph looked like an S2000 on steroids, with a lower redline.

JadeBRZ 09-27-2015 09:28 PM

I have a few questions:
1. Will this kit work with takeda intake box? (not sure if i still have my stock air box)
2. Can it be shipped with the 93 octane tune?
3. Are upgraded injectors needed?

Rookie84 09-30-2015 05:14 PM

I am very much interested in the V3 kit but I want to know if I will be able to use Tomei UEL headers with tunes HKS provides. Possibly I could use a tune for their UEL headers but I guess the only way to find out is to try it myself. :(

wbradley 09-30-2015 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rookie84 (Post 2406658)
I am very much interested in the V3 kit but I want to know if I will be able to use Tomei UEL headers with tunes HKS provides. Possibly I could use a tune for their UEL headers but I guess the only way to find out is to try it myself. :(

I don't see why not. Just use a catless UEL ots tune.

aruxe 09-30-2015 11:02 PM

does anyone the differences between the Japanese version 12001-AT009 versus the US version 12001-KT003A

I was almost got the Japanese version AT009 v2. But now the v3 came out.

Scott@HKSUSA 10-01-2015 10:19 AM

Dyno charts (using supplied Flash Editor calibrations):

http://i62.tinypic.com/20ht21g.jpg

Note, ALL of the dyno results above reflect the installation of:
#70999-AT001 HKS Air Intake Scoop
#32016-AT023 HKS Hi-Power Spec-L exhaust
#33002-BT001 HKS Stainless Exhaust Manifold
#33004-BT002 HKS Stainless Front Pipe
#50003-M50HL HKS Super Fire Racing Spark Plugs

The pre-loaded Flash Editor calibrations all require the installation of the following:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2prd4wh.jpg

HKS has not tested Flash Editor calibrations with any combination of competitors products. While interchanging certain parts may “work,” HKS can not recommend using any parts not specified on the above list.

The HKS USA 93 octane calibration (and/or any custom calibrations) can only be uploaded to the Flash Editor after it has been married to an ECU. If someone is interested in running that cal., for zero downtime my suggestion would be to install the V3 s/c kit and reflash your ECU with the 91 oct. cal. Send your F.E. to HKS USA and enjoy your V3 equipped car while I upload the 93 oct cal. Once you have the F.E. back, reflash the 93 oct. cal. and make sure your radar detector is in good working order. :)

Fuel system upgrades are not required unless one chooses to run E85. The E85 calibration was generated using the required 700cc port injectors and a DW fuel pump (see chart above), which are not included in the V3 s/c kit.

I’m in the process of uploading screenshots from the Flash Editor so you guys can check it out. Hope this helps. Be back in a little bit.

goshem 10-01-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kch (Post 2400762)
Roughly 90% of people in the US live outside of California, so....

ugh, there's a ton of FR-S/BRZs in California, JDM cars is a huge scene in CA. I'd say 75% or 70% live outside of CA.

G-awesome 10-01-2015 03:40 PM

I'm torn between this or the Edelbrock supercharger....but first I need a bucket of cash...who wants to rob a bank with me?

NyC Zn6 10-01-2015 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-awesome (Post 2407693)
I'm torn between this or the Edelbrock supercharger....but first I need a bucket of cash...who wants to rob a bank with me?

well we definitely cant use our 86's as getaway cars lol:bonk:

ultra 10-01-2015 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@HKSUSA (Post 2407265)
Dyno charts (using supplied Flash Editor calibrations):

http://i62.tinypic.com/20ht21g.jpg

Note, ALL of the dyno results above reflect the installation of:
#70999-AT001 HKS Air Intake Scoop
#32016-AT023 HKS Hi-Power Spec-L exhaust
#33002-BT001 HKS Stainless Exhaust Manifold
#33004-BT002 HKS Stainless Front Pipe
#50003-M50HL HKS Super Fire Racing Spark Plugs

The pre-loaded Flash Editor calibrations all require the installation of the following:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2prd4wh.jpg

HKS has not tested Flash Editor calibrations with any combination of competitors products. While interchanging certain parts may “work,” HKS can not recommend using any parts not specified on the above list.

The HKS USA 93 octane calibration (and/or any custom calibrations) can only be uploaded to the Flash Editor after it has been married to an ECU. If someone is interested in running that cal., for zero downtime my suggestion would be to install the V3 s/c kit and reflash your ECU with the 91 oct. cal. Send your F.E. to HKS USA and enjoy your V3 equipped car while I upload the 93 oct cal. Once you have the F.E. back, reflash the 93 oct. cal. and make sure your radar detector is in good working order. :)

Fuel system upgrades are not required unless one chooses to run E85. The E85 calibration was generated using the required 700cc port injectors and a DW fuel pump (see chart above), which are not included in the V3 s/c kit.

I’m in the process of uploading screenshots from the Flash Editor so you guys can check it out. Hope this helps. Be back in a little bit.

That's exactly the info what I was looking for, thanks!

So it seems that the Flash Editor calibrations are already designed for a completely catless setup and, hence, no issues with cat related CELs. This is very good news!

Swapping the intake box and spark plugs when installing the SC kit wouldn't be a very big deal at all IMO.

Rookie84 10-03-2015 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@HKSUSA (Post 2407265)
Dyno charts (using supplied Flash Editor calibrations):

http://i62.tinypic.com/20ht21g.jpg

Note, ALL of the dyno results above reflect the installation of:
#70999-AT001 HKS Air Intake Scoop
#32016-AT023 HKS Hi-Power Spec-L exhaust
#33002-BT001 HKS Stainless Exhaust Manifold
#33004-BT002 HKS Stainless Front Pipe
#50003-M50HL HKS Super Fire Racing Spark Plugs

The pre-loaded Flash Editor calibrations all require the installation of the following:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2prd4wh.jpg

HKS has not tested Flash Editor calibrations with any combination of competitors products. While interchanging certain parts may “work,” HKS can not recommend using any parts not specified on the above list.

The HKS USA 93 octane calibration (and/or any custom calibrations) can only be uploaded to the Flash Editor after it has been married to an ECU. If someone is interested in running that cal., for zero downtime my suggestion would be to install the V3 s/c kit and reflash your ECU with the 91 oct. cal. Send your F.E. to HKS USA and enjoy your V3 equipped car while I upload the 93 oct cal. Once you have the F.E. back, reflash the 93 oct. cal. and make sure your radar detector is in good working order. :)

Fuel system upgrades are not required unless one chooses to run E85. The E85 calibration was generated using the required 700cc port injectors and a DW fuel pump (see chart above), which are not included in the V3 s/c kit.

I’m in the process of uploading screenshots from the Flash Editor so you guys can check it out. Hope this helps. Be back in a little bit.

Is any calibration available for HKS UEL header?


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