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WhatIs86For 01-29-2011 10:56 AM

FT-86 From 0 To 60?
 
Hello Guys

Guys, For all of you who have some expert about this engine

Do you actually have any idea how much this new FT will take to reach from 0 to 60?

200HP without DI and Toyota Dual VVTI

So maybe 220 HP with those two addition

And the car weight is around 2600 LBS

Can you assume how much it will take till it reach 60 MPH from full stop?

NESW20 01-29-2011 11:37 AM

i think a more reasonable guess would be 5.5-6 seconds. keep in mind, there's a good chance two shifts will be necessary to hit 60mph.

WhatIs86For 01-29-2011 11:55 AM

HOllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!

I pressed 4 instead of 5!!!!!!

what i mean is 5.0-5.2 and etc etc etc...

Edit: Can any Modetor or Admin fix my mistake please?

thanks.

Dark 01-29-2011 12:02 PM

I think it can hit high 4.0 sec. (turbo) :D

WhatIs86For 01-29-2011 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NESW20 (Post 25408)
i think a more reasonable guess would be 5.5-6 seconds. keep in mind, there's a good chance two shifts will be necessary to hit 60mph.

your right, Dont forget that this car will be free Revving engine, this might me good advantage to have smaller numbers to 60 MPH

ichitaka05 01-29-2011 03:22 PM

To be honest, I really don't care for 0~60 numbers. Keep it close to original design, light weight, enough hp to keep the car side way then I don't care 0~60 was +6 secs.

WhatIs86For 01-29-2011 03:42 PM

well, I care more about 0 to 60 than cornering..

A-Spike 01-29-2011 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 25415)
To be honest, I really don't care for 0~60 numbers. Keep it close to original design, light weight, enough hp to keep the car side way then I don't care 0~60 was +6 secs.

:thumbsup:

That's my opinion to, a lot of car makers can put a lot of horsepower in cars, the way it uses that power it's important(yeah I'm looking at you, yeah you, the guy that has a FWD VW Scirocco and thinks he drives a sports car), and of course the way the car looks is the other important thing. Look at the Mazda MX-5 Miata, it's not the most powerful or the fastest roadster on the market, but it's a very good balanced package that offers tons of fun when you are behind the wheel.

ichitaka05 01-29-2011 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WhatIs86For (Post 25417)
well, I care more about 0 to 60 than cornering..

If that's the case, you're looking at wrong car (no offense). I can guarantee you, this car won't be faster than your current G37S in 0~60. iirc G37S 0~60 was 5.2 secs w 13.7 1/4 miles... yeah, my guess, FT86 be lucky if it gets under 6 secs w 14 secs 1/4 mile.

4agze 01-29-2011 04:07 PM

:thumbsup:
Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 25415)
To be honest, I really don't care for 0~60 numbers. Keep it close to original design, light weight, enough hp to keep the car side way then I don't care 0~60 was +6 secs.

:thumbsup: yeah really dont care much about 0-60 but i care about is balance, weight, engine respons and brakeing. 0-60 in 6sec thats good enough for me...

matadormi5 01-29-2011 04:28 PM

I only want it to be less than 6 seconds. Reality of production will increase the weight(hopefully not make it obese) with safety features and the other bits and pieces.

As long as the car is fun to drive, I could care less about 0-60 times. Make it under 6-seconds and a complete blast to drive around, I'll be happy.

I live in the Chicago downtown/loop, and the only time one can enjoy their car's speed/power/acceleration is after 11PM, when everyone goes to bed. Huge power is almost useless here.

dalli 01-29-2011 04:59 PM

As long as its fun to drive and everything else the guy above me said.

NESW20 01-29-2011 05:53 PM

new vote is 5.6-5.8. i can't vote because i already did, and it won't let me vote again. meh. not really that important, anyway. i haven't clocked it officially, but my MR2 does it in under 5 seconds.

Matador 01-29-2011 09:12 PM

With 2500-2700 lbs and 200-220hp, 60 mph isn't coming any faster than 6 seconds. Maybe High 5's with 1-foot of rollout.

Franisco 01-29-2011 11:35 PM

http://www.060calculator.com/

ichitaka05 01-30-2011 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Franisco (Post 25444)

Hm... interesting site. Just for fun, I did 200hp w 2800lbs & 220hp w 2800lbs and it came to be 6.05~5.63secs.

blur 01-30-2011 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05 (Post 25446)
Hm... interesting site. Just for fun, I did 200hp w 2800lbs & 220hp w 2800lbs and it came to be 6.05~5.63secs.

I did 220HP and 2500lbs (best case scenario) and got 5.2 :bow:

Matador 01-30-2011 03:51 AM

Totally inaccurate without knowing the gear ratios.

4agze 01-30-2011 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1 (Post 25451)
Totally inaccurate without knowing the gear ratios.

Gear ratio, type of tires & more yes thats inaccurate

NikostC 01-30-2011 12:47 PM

most likely this car will be geared toward the quarter mile since its a 6 seed and it will prolly be at best 6.0 sec on 0-60. id prefer it to be better at the quarter mile anyway.

ichitaka05 01-30-2011 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NikostC (Post 25458)
most likely this car will be geared toward the quarter mile since its a 6 seed and it will prolly be at best 6.0 sec on 0-60. id prefer it to be better at the quarter mile anyway.

...what? so cuz it has 6 sp tranny, it's geared towards the 1/4 mile? Did I read it correctly?

Franisco 01-30-2011 03:05 PM

I'd say the site is decent for a general idea. They just compiled a load of times with the cars stats and compared the numbers. In reality, it should take into account market choices like ratios and tires. But I do agree its nowhere near perfect, just something to think about

iff2mastamatt 01-30-2011 03:42 PM

I don't want to break it, but I think the base will do 0-60 in about 7.5- 8 seconds assuming they put in a 2.0L engine. The STI with 305hp would be a dream come true, but at best it would do ~5.5 given the perfect dimensions. Also, wouldn't the insurance for a small car an a high hp engine be insane?

WhatIs86For 01-30-2011 04:33 PM

hmmmm :word:ierd

Even my Range rover (DD car) can do better than that

Dark 01-30-2011 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt (Post 25465)
I don't want to break it, but I think the base will do 0-60 in about 7.5- 8 seconds assuming they put in a 2.0L engine. The STI with 305hp would be a dream come true, but at best it would do ~5.5 given the perfect dimensions. Also, wouldn't the insurance for a small car an a high hp engine be insane?


What? 204hp IS250 RWD with 3455lb can run 0-60 in 7.9 sec(can be done better because it's official 0-60 from Lexus.). How comes a car weighted under 3000lb with the same power runs about the same 0-60?
This should be, at worst, 6.8-7.0 sec.
Yes, insurance rate is insane for people under 25, but it's not the real matter.

WhatIs86For 01-30-2011 04:51 PM

I will say the worst case is 6.0

Com'n people whats up with these scary numbers 6.8, 7.0, 7.5 and 8.0?

Did you forget that this is not just a subie 2.0 engine? its also with

Direct injection
Toyota "Dual" VVTi
Free Revving engine
10.5 Compression Ratio
Car Weight Under 2800 LBS

Last and not least, Only god knows what is the gear ratio of this car, I hope its 3.5 and above (More like 3.7 or so)

iff2mastamatt 01-30-2011 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark (Post 25467)
What? 204hp IS250 RWD with 3455lb can run 0-60 in 7.9 sec(can be done better because it's official 0-60 from Lexus.). How comes a car weighted under 3000lb with the same power runs about the same 0-60?
This should be, at worst, 6.8-7.0 sec.
Yes, insurance rate is insane for people under 25, but it's not the real matter.

The Lexus has a 2.5L V-6. I think realistically the car will weigh ~2900-3100 lbs with the needed safety equipment and a proper interior. Also, Toyota will want this car to get AT LEAST 30mpg in the base; that doesn't come without any trade-offs. I would rather be pessimistic and have Toyota surprise me once they announce the production version.

4agze 01-30-2011 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NikostC (Post 25458)
most likely this car will be geared toward the quarter mile since its a 6 seed and it will prolly be at best 6.0 sec on 0-60. id prefer it to be better at the quarter mile anyway.

:iono: what made you say that?

KiingDavid 01-30-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NikostC (Post 25458)
most likely this car will be geared toward the quarter mile since its a 6 seed and it will prolly be at best 6.0 sec on 0-60. id prefer it to be better at the quarter mile anyway.

i hope and i know this wont be a quarter mile car.

Dark 01-30-2011 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt (Post 25469)
The Lexus has a 2.5L V-6. I think realistically the car will weigh ~2900-3100 lbs with the needed safety equipment and a proper interior. Also, Toyota will want this car to get AT LEAST 30mpg in the base; that doesn't come without any trade-offs. I would rather be pessimistic and have Toyota surprise me once they announce the production version.

I own 2IS myself. My car(AWD) is a hundred or 200 lb heavier than base model, and it's the heaviest car I have ever owned (SUV not counted). Realistically, 2IS is nowhere lighter than 3200lb.

Dark 01-30-2011 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NikostC (Post 25458)
most likely this car will be geared toward the quarter mile since its a 6 seed and it will prolly be at best 6.0 sec on 0-60. id prefer it to be better at the quarter mile anyway.

Drifter car. Get a copy of GT5, you will know what is this car for.

Matador 01-30-2011 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For (Post 25468)
I will say the worst case is 6.0

Com'n people whats up with these scary numbers 6.8, 7.0, 7.5 and 8.0?

Did you forget that this is not just a subie 2.0 engine? its also with

Direct injection
Toyota "Dual" VVTi
Free Revving engine
10.5 Compression Ratio
Car Weight Under 2800 LBS

Last and not least, Only god knows what is the gear ratio of this car, I hope its 3.5 and above (More like 3.7 or so)

I think you are assuming a lot, and if you are looking for fast 0-60, you will be bitterly disappointed by this car.

For circa 2600lbs and 210hp, it doesn't get much better than 6 seconds.

VW Scirrocco R, 6.5 sec

Mazda RX-8, 5.8 sec

Celica GT-S, 7.2 sec

All similar to slightly better P/W ratios to what is assumed/speculated for an NA FT-86.

It really is pointless to guess, as we don't know what the final specs are going to be, much less the gear ratios, final drive, what tyres, lsd or no, launch control or no.... Based on popular estimates of power and weight (and the Aisin gearbox) though, I believe it will be in the six second range, low 6s on good days, high on bad days, averaging around 6.5 secs. Perhaps high 5's on rare occasions, or with bolt-ons or 1 foot roll of out. I wouldn't mind one bit if Toyota proves me wrong though.

It's not a mustang or genesis V6 guys. Willing to bet that though, around a circuit it will equal or better either.

yera 01-30-2011 10:18 PM

Base model with around 170hp ...+6 sec think

70NYD 01-30-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NikostC (Post 25458)
most likely this car will be geared toward the quarter mile since its a 6 seed and it will prolly be at best 6.0 sec on 0-60. id prefer it to be better at the quarter mile anyway.

I'd rather a 3 speed for a quarter mile with a butt load of torque than a 6 speed that revs out.. This is great handling car, not a great accelerating car
As matador and few others have said, without knowing the Full drivetrain ratios, it is useless (but fun) to speculate. And to that extent since I don't mind being disappointed, I'm gonna say 0-60 4.5 0-100 6.5 (yeah just for fun)
In reality I'd b happy with 0-60 6

Dimman 01-30-2011 10:57 PM

^ +1

Kids Heart 01-30-2011 11:31 PM

I say 0-60 in 5.7
mark this post

70NYD 01-31-2011 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kids Heart (Post 25480)
I say 0-60 in 5.7
mark this post

Sounds like insider trading :p

dalli 01-31-2011 12:49 AM

I say 2 seconds top!!!

Dark 01-31-2011 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalli (Post 25483)
I say 2 seconds top!!!

What? F1 had sex with Veyron?

ichitaka05 01-31-2011 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark (Post 25485)
What? F1 had sex with Veyron?

Yeah, it's called X1


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