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gymratter 09-08-2015 06:40 PM

This Is Honda's New Project 2&4 Concept Powered By A MotoGP-Sourced V4
 
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We imagine this is what you'd get if you crossed an Ariel Atom with a MotoGP motorcycle.

It's called the Honda Project 2&4 and it's the winning entry from the Japanese firm's ‘Global Design Project’.

Scheduled for a world premiere at next week's Frankfurt Motor Show, the Project 2&4 brings together Honda's know-how in two- and four-wheel mobility, not only with the cabin-less structure that features a floating seat design for an immerse (some would call it insane) driving experience, but also through the use of the brand's MotoGP RC213V motorcycle racing engine.

Modified to run on public roads, the mid-mounted 999 cc V-4 four-stroke unit has a 14,000 rpm redline, pumping out more than 215PS (212hp) at 13,000 rpm and over 118Nm (87 lb-ft) of peak torque at 10,500 rpm. It is connected to a six-speed DCT gearbox that drives the rear axle.

Before you say that's not a lot of oomph from the V4, learn that the 3,040mm long, 1,820mm wide and 995mm tall single-seater tips the scales at just 405 kg or 893 pounds.

The body design, together with the placement of the engine, are said to have been inspired by Honda's 1965 Formula One racing car, codenamed RA271.

Further details are to be released at the Frankfurt show.
http://www.carscoops.com/2015/09/thi...2-concept.html

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TCVhpS-R-9...ject-2-4-1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jatdmoB-Fl...ject-2-4-2.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sdkpXzNqkw...ject-2-4-3.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D-Ct-p7VQe...ject-2-4-4.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6tRoBsbOP1...ject-2-4-5.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kMPxk2psS9...ject-2-4-6.jpg

rice_classic 09-08-2015 06:53 PM

Gorgeous. Just gorgeous.

chaoskaze 09-08-2015 06:53 PM

This Is Honda's New Project 2&4 Concept Powered By A MotoGP-Sourced V4
 
Looks like Honda pimp up their super lawn mower.... Not joking 😂 Sorry it just reminds me the video below.

Can't wait to see if this come through.
[ame]http://youtu.be/Xe5ldu2jB2E[/ame]

Nevermore 09-08-2015 08:12 PM

Is the seat... Completely outside the car?

Vracer111 09-08-2015 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic (Post 2383963)
Gorgeous. Just gorgeous.

+1

When I saw the teaser picture a while back... I was stumped and wondering what it would look like... fearing it would be 'weird'... Well it's a sexy thing!

Even though it's more angular, it seems like something that could almost fit in the book Cosmic Motors by Daniel Simon...

http://danielsimon.com/wp-content/up...Gravion_05.jpg

https://area.autodesk.com/th.gen/?z/...38kx:760x0.jpg

JB86'd 09-09-2015 12:13 AM

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campy 09-09-2015 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevermore (Post 2384031)
Is the seat... Completely outside the car?

Why even bother with a 4 point harness?

DAEMANO 09-09-2015 02:30 AM

This thing should cost roughly the same as a Polaris Slingshot (or less) but likely will be double that. Shame because the amount of fun in this would be off the chain.

SVTSHC 09-09-2015 10:23 AM

What I'd do to push this thing even once.

fang_gt86 09-09-2015 11:58 AM

That seating position will required balls of steel.

bcj 09-09-2015 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fang_gt86 (Post 2384591)
That seating position will required balls of steel.

And extra steel belting in the tires.
Would hate to get a dope slap from the front wheel tread on it's departure.

Nevermore 09-09-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by campy (Post 2384289)
Why even bother with a 4 point harness?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fang_gt86 (Post 2384591)
That seating position will required balls of steel.

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Originally Posted by bcj (Post 2384687)
And extra steel belting in the tires.
Would hate to get a dope slap from the front wheel tread on it's departure.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks the seat is weird. I honestly think the thing looks good, but I'd rather sit inside a car. The blown tire is a good example of danger. Also, think about if you hit a wall, even just scraping it. There's not metal between you and the wall.

Levi 09-09-2015 05:47 PM

Meanwhile, Nissan building the 370 Z successor, a "lightweight" FWD 2 door crossover.

why? 09-09-2015 06:29 PM

The engine sounds great but the design is moronic from every possible perspective.

venturaII 09-09-2015 07:53 PM

Hope the driver enjoys every piece of debris on the road/track flung up into his face..

RandomDeception 09-09-2015 08:39 PM

The huge balls of the guy driving this would scrape on the ground.

dem00n 09-09-2015 09:03 PM

The only thing this car and mine share are the tires. :lol:

Great design though.

DarkSunrise 09-10-2015 08:09 AM

Love it. Obviously just a concept and not really practical, but it's the most exciting thing I've seen from Honda in the past decade or so.

Captain Snooze 09-10-2015 08:40 AM

I don't understand these sorts of concept cars. They just seem like a design studio is masturbating. Sure, they look good but have no practical application.

Tcoat 09-10-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze (Post 2385551)
I don't understand these sorts of concept cars. They just seem like a design studio is masturbating. Sure, they look good but have no practical application.

That is exactly what they are, just a form of engineering masturbation by guys that have the resources to actually build their binder doodles. Hell, it even says it was from a project challenge not as actual production concepts.
I am always entertained by the guys that fully believe these concepts will ever hit production in any form much less as the one off that they are.

Poodles 09-10-2015 02:23 PM

Nice renderings, but it's a lot of fluff. No feasible way to actually make that dashboard, so that's not going to look like that on the real car... that is if it's actually a functioning car and not some rolling sculpture with a painted piece of glass/plastic for a dash.

Rampage 09-10-2015 06:25 PM

This reminds me a bit of some of the concept cars that I have seen over the years where the designer leaves no place for a driver (or passenger). In this case it looks like they said, "Oh, $hit!" then "Oh well, lets just stick a seat right here."

vh_supra26 03-01-2017 01:07 PM

PATENT FILING HINTS HONDA MAY BRING PROJECT 2&4 CONCEPT TO LIFE
 
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sit...ent-Filing.jpg

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Back in 2015, Honda debuted the Project 2&4 concept that blended the best elements of a motorcycle and a car. Now, Honda has filed a patent for a similar type of vehicle, and it has us wondering what the automaker has up its sleeve.

Recent patent documents include drawings of an open-air sports car with a cast-aluminum backbone chassis. The patent says the body structure requires relatively few components, and has one support member that can attach to parts needed for the steering, pedals, seat, and footrest. The structure is very light to improve fuel efficiency, and it’s also stiff to “give the occupant a direct feel of acceleration like an automobile.” Since this light frame can be produced using aluminum die casting, Honda should be able to shorten manufacturing times and reduce costs.

The drawings show the engine is mounted in the middle of the vehicle, much like the Project 2&4. Although the patent drawings show a four-wheel vehicle, the setup can also be used on a three-wheel vehicle or even a vehicle with more than four wheels, the patent says.

While the Project 2&4 was shown as a one-seater, this version appears to have two seats. But to reduce weight and improve fuel economy, the passenger seat can be removed in this model, the patent says. Furthermore, a protection member secures the vehicle at three key points to protect occupants in the event of a rollover.

We certainly wouldn’t mind if Honda decided to bring the Project 2&4 to life. The car’s striking design was inspired by the Honda RA272 Formula 1 car from 1965, but instead of using a V-12 engine, it featured a tiny 1.0-liter V-4 engine making 212 hp. This engine was said to be specially tuned for street driving. Remarkably, the concept weighed just 893 pounds.

Source: United States Patent and Trademark Office
http://www.motortrend.com/news/paten...-concept-life/

Re_Invention 03-01-2017 02:45 PM

http://www.negative-g.com/six-flags-...-Flight-12.jpg

Looks like fun. Bring it to market for under $25k and I'll bite :cheers:

RRnold 03-01-2017 04:00 PM

Tiny 1.0L V4 at 212hp... yawn.

Twinz 03-01-2017 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RRnold (Post 2863361)
Tiny 1.0L V4 at 212hp... yawn.

And only 900lbs that 212hp needs to move.

So, there's that.

RRnold 03-01-2017 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinz (Post 2863405)
And only 900lbs that 212hp needs to move.

So, there's that.

I get the PWR and wind in your face, I ride motorcycles.

The RC213V is 184K so I wouldn't be surprised if this thing isn't cheap.

So, there's that.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/90091/...onda-rc213v-s/

zigzagz94 03-09-2017 11:48 AM

http://lln5.mnmcdn.com/galleries/jan...ept-5_1600.jpg


http://lln5.mnmcdn.com/galleries/jan...ept-1_1600.jpg

http://lln5.mnmcdn.com/galleries/jan...ept-8_1600.jpg
Left lane news might have gotten a spy shot of this mystery project. Looks similar to the patent drawings to me.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/spied-is...nsx-94896.html

http://www.leftlanenews.com/photos/a...picture-5.html

SCQTT 03-09-2017 01:16 PM

I like those belts! Cool, but like KTM's XBow, it will never see the light of day in America. If you like it buy a Slingshot.

Beautiful though.

gymratter 03-09-2017 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zigzagz94 (Post 2868665)
http://lln5.mnmcdn.com/galleries/jan...ept-1_1600.jpg

Left lane news might have gotten a spy shot of this mystery project. Looks similar to the patent drawings to me.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/spied-is...nsx-94896.html

http://www.leftlanenews.com/photos/a...picture-5.html

yeah it does look similar. but this should really be in the baby NSX / S2k threads.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92276
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106020

http://images.hgmsites.net/med/paten...00514223_m.jpg
http://pictures.dealer.com/p/planeth...4ec641c25x.jpg

zigzagz94 03-09-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SCQTT (Post 2868769)
... it will never see the light of day in America.

Beautiful though.

You may be right but judging from the license plates in the background of the newest spy shots it is testing in the states. Seems like a lot of effort on Honda's part to have both a coupe and roadster version of a car that isn't going to see the light of day. It's all speculation, but all the other Japanese makes are showing sports car concepts at Tokyo this year and I'm guessing this will be Honda's "surprise".

Tcoat 03-09-2017 02:15 PM

Spy shots my ass. Whoever took those was allowed too. They walked all the way around the car for crying out loud.
Concept car is concept car.


Oh and autoguide also makes claims on them
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...onda-zsx-.html

zigzagz94 03-09-2017 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2868833)
Spy shots my ass. Whoever took those was allowed too. They walked all the way around the car for crying out loud.l

Agreed. Too may details conveniently leaking out about this car all at the same time. First the updated patents and now these photos. Definitely feels like a controlled leak. That's why I put the surprise in quotes because I think it's just a matter of when not if we see this concept at an auto show this year. As far as production possibility who the hell knows...I'd give it 50/50 shot at best.

Leonardo 03-09-2017 03:08 PM

Love the little Honda! Very cool! It will be track only, IF it makes it to the US. 4 wheels = Car Cars have to pass crash testing. This is why the Polaris slingshot has three wheels. less than 4 wheels = motorcycle with no crash testing.

Correct me if I am wrong. Cause, I would love to drive something like this on public roads!!!

strat61caster 03-09-2017 04:00 PM

Looks like an NSX built for SEMA, just like the targa FRS.

krayzie 03-09-2017 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by zigzagz94 (Post 2868839)
Definitely feels like a controlled leak.

Yea I miss all those exciting blurry live spy shots from the old Temple of Vtec days lol!

gymratter 03-09-2017 07:16 PM

more patent photos

http://icdn-5.motor1.com/images/mgl/...ent-photos.jpg
http://icdn-6.motor1.com/images/mgl/...ent-photos.jpg
http://icdn-1.motor1.com/images/mgl/...ent-photos.jpg
http://icdn-1.motor1.com/images/mgl/...ent-photos.jpg

SCQTT 03-11-2017 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zigzagz94 (Post 2868828)
You may be right but judging from the license plates in the background of the newest spy shots it is testing in the states. Seems like a lot of effort on Honda's part to have both a coupe and roadster version of a car that isn't going to see the light of day. It's all speculation, but all the other Japanese makes are showing sports car concepts at Tokyo this year and I'm guessing this will be Honda's "surprise".

If this sees the light of day in the US for street use I'll gladly make you a bet that I will buy you one, what are you putting up? The KTM XBow was 60 million US to develop. It will never be sold in the US officially. There are a few here through the grey market for track day cars, but that is it. Honda likes the profit of stamping out Civics with nice profit margins, people should be thankful they make a hotrod version of that from time to time, but they are not overly interested in flexing their engineering muscles. From time to time they show off what they can do, but they mostly play it safe when it comes to product development. They made their first side by side and personal watercraft 10 years after the competition and they made the Fury 10 years after they should have. They can go wild, like the NR or the RC213 V-S, but they normally play it safe.

This vehicle is really cool, but it is so far away from what DOT regulations would allow, ridiculously far away.

Besides, Honda did not do this, a design firm did it. They might have been hired by Honda or went rouge and just used Honda as a platform. Somewhere else on this forum I mentioned that the best designs come from small teams or individuals, not a collective corporate group.

The difference between this and the street going Slingshot does not look that dramatic, but one only has to look at the product development of Polaris Industries compared to Honda to see the risks each company are willing to take. Look at each companies side by side offering. Polaris is still fighting at the state level in certain areas to get the Slingshot officially approved as a street vehicle (and what it is specifically) Honda wants ZERO part of that stuff. For every Slingshot that is sold Honda probably sells 10,000 Civics.

This little Honda is a cool auto show attention getter, it ends there.

gymratter 03-15-2017 11:43 AM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EvBmgKLUAM[/ame]

Irace86.2.0 03-18-2017 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinz (Post 2863405)
And only 900lbs that 212hp needs to move.

So, there's that.

How much torque? A motorcycle is half that weight. There is a reason, besides reliability, that motorcycle engines arent in cars--high reving hp is great but not if there isn't enough torque to reach those rpm's fast enough.


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