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Elliryx 08-30-2015 06:37 AM

Buyer's remorse. :( What do you guys think?
 
Hi everyone, I recently purchased a 2015 Ultramarine I have 100 miles on it. It is automatic.

Edited: Thanks everyone for all your thoughts and comments, All is well now TRD Exhaust + CAI and a future turbo should do the job.

Joyride86 08-30-2015 07:31 AM

It's not worth trading over the auto vs manual IMO. Especially since yours is brand spanking new. You will literally be throwing money away. I've seen guys put trades here for auto vs manual. You could try that if you were really desperate.

Did you ever test drive a manual? You probably should have done that if you didn't. If you had a chance to drive a manual, you might not have buyers remorse or better yet, be driving a manual. It adds to the driver experience and makes it that much more involving.

gatorac 08-30-2015 07:34 AM

It's obviously a poor financial decision. However, only you can determine if it's worth the money difference to be driving a car you may enjoy more. First step is to find out what it's gonna cost you. Next step is to amortize that amount over the length of time you intend to own the car.

I've made that kind of mistake before. 6 months later it only got worse and I traded that car in. I think that was back in 2000. Yeah, it cost me some money but that money doesn't mean squat now.

Rampage 08-30-2015 08:04 AM

Go drive a manual. See if it really improves your driving experience enough for you to care. You can always spend the money you would lose on the trade in to get a lower FD rear differential which would improve the acceleration of your twin at the cost of some gas mileage.

If you do much stop and go driving then you may find the auto is better suited to your needs anyway. There is something to be said for the ease of use of an auto on those dreary traffic choked commutes to work. The car will still handle just as good as a manual. It will just be a little less quick with the higher gearing of the final drive.

Elliryx 08-30-2015 08:05 AM

After writing my post up top I went outside drove the car on the freeway for a little bit, switch sports mode on and transmission so manual mode I feel a lot better now. Keeping the car now, with a little extra boost from intake and a turbo in the future I should be ok. Besides i'll only use the car for work and freeway trolling (until I get the turbo). Thanks for the reply.

BRZnut 08-30-2015 08:07 AM

Just use the paddle shifters when you are in the mood for spirited driving and see what you think. Most high end sports cars no longer come with manuals but advanced automatic transmissions anyway, so keep that in mind. You're in good company! Plus, on reading this forum for 3 years now, if someone posts about a problem with their transmission, it seems to be about an issue with the manual.

CruiseZen 08-30-2015 08:13 AM

I'm with the others. Go test drive a manual and see if its worth it. For me, an owner of a MT, this is the most fun car I've ever owned.

Bergen23 08-30-2015 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BRZnut (Post 2374528)
Just use the paddle shifters when you are in the mood for spirited driving and see what you think. Most high end sports cars no longer come with manuals but advanced automatic transmissions anyway, so keep that in mind. You're in good company! Plus, on reading this forum for 3 years now, if someone posts about a problem with their transmission, it seems to be about an issue with the manual.

Unless you look in the warranty subforum. These were just from the first 2 pages, and all to do with the auto

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93562
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88758
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93417
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14413
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80500

EDIT: as an auto owner, I was happy with my transmission choice, until I started having issues where my car wouldn't downshift properly, which results in the rear wheels locking up on the 2-1 downshift and made it so the car wouldn't rev match. Looking to get rid of the auto ASAP and get into a manual Ecoboost Mustang. I won't be paying for that trade though, Scion Canada will be.

Mini&aVette 08-30-2015 08:24 AM

I bought an automatic (Oh the Shame) RS 1.0. My last car was a MT C6 Corvette. This car is FUN FUN FUN to drive as an auto. I mostly use the paddles but lots of times I just let the trans decide. I'm retired and this is just a toy for me but I never threw my C6 around like I do this car and I do this with the AUTO. I've had the car since January and one of my sons said I would regret the purchase but he was wrong. Now go drive your auto and have some fun.

Elliryx 08-30-2015 08:39 AM

Thanks mini&avette and to all the reply. I just have so much plan on the car, im getting xpel clear full hood, bumper, fenders and side mirrors then opti coat. Maybe it's me i've only driven the car like 8 times so far. When its in sports mode manual mode I like it. Again thanks everyone now I can go to sleep at ease.

raven1231 08-30-2015 08:41 AM

I hope by freeway trolling you don't me racing... If you do you will be severely disappointed (regardless of your transmission choice).

That aside, why don't people research things that they are spending tens of thousands of dollars on? I was reading about this car for months (6 or 7) before I purchased it, and went out and test drove its competition at the time. Is this abnormal or something? Is it the new norm to go out and make a purchase without doing any research/looking into all of your options?

Why did you choose an automatic in the first place? Perhaps you can't drive manual, or wanted the ease that comes with having an auto trans, or maybe that was the last one on the lot??? Whatever the reason was I'm sure it is more important than whatever some random ass internet reviews say, or bro's at the car club/highschool are telling you. If you enjoy the car then what else is there to consider? If you don't then yes you made a very poor financial decision and will have to decide on whether or not the financial hit is worth remedying it.

Hotrodheart 08-30-2015 08:45 AM

If you go to a dealer to trade in a car with 100 miles.... be sure to bring your own Vaseline. You're gonna need it.

Elliryx 08-30-2015 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2374538)
I hope by freeway trolling you don't me racing... If you do you will be severely disappointed (regardless of your transmission choice).

That aside, why don't people research things that they are spending tens of thousands of dollars on? I was reading about this car for months (6 or 7) before I purchased it, and went out and test drove its competition at the time. Is this abnormal or something? Is it the new norm to go out and make a purchase without doing any research/looking into all of your options?

Why did you choose an automatic in the first place? Perhaps you can't drive manual, or wanted the ease that comes with having an auto trans, or maybe that was the last one on the lot??? Whatever the reason was I'm sure it is more important than whatever some random ass internet reviews say, or bro's at the car club/highschool are telling you. If you enjoy the car then what else is there to consider? If you don't then yes you made a very poor financial decision and will have to decide on whether or not the financial hit is worth remedying it.

Even with full blown turbo this car won't keep up?

Andrew025 08-30-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Elliryx (Post 2374527)
Besides i'll only use the car for work and freeway trolling (until I get the turbo). Thanks for the reply.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliryx (Post 2374549)
Even with full blown turbo this car won't keep up?

Of course it will... your previous comment said "(until I get the turbo)".

Chanpion 08-30-2015 11:31 AM

You can take away that buyers remorse if you drive a manual in rush hour traffic on a hill.
They are a bit different, people say it's more involving but I would not discredit the auto at all. It's equally as fun on the twisties and you forget once you're up to speed.

humfrz 08-30-2015 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliryx (Post 2374527)
After writing my post up top I went outside drove the car on the freeway for a little bit, switch sports mode on and transmission so manual mode I feel a lot better now. Keeping the car now, .........

:clap: ....... good plan!


humfrz

Zhangy 08-30-2015 02:20 PM

I have automaic, what's wrong with it? You kinda miss out on the shift but you get to enjoy more on the handling aspect

strat61caster 08-30-2015 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliryx (Post 2374549)
Even with full blown turbo this car won't keep up?

With what? The V6 minivan that doesn't care you exist that everyone says is faster? You'll blow her doors off without the turbo.

4 year old Mustang with a 5.0L V8 you could pick up for $20k? Nope.
15 year old Corvette you could have also picked up for $20k? Nope.
Guy who slapped a turbo with water/meth injection on his 30 year old BMW for $10k? Nope.

And that's after you drop money on the turbo, assuming you don't aim for 400+ horsepower by spending tens of thousands of dollars on forged components and a quality tuner.

A manual transmission won't change that.

I hope you enjoy your car, but it kind of sounds like you don't know what you just bought.

funwheeldrive 08-30-2015 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhangy (Post 2374689)
I have automaic, what's wrong with it? You kinda miss out on the shift but you get to enjoy more on the handling aspect

This is what automatic owners really believe. :bellyroll:

Tcoat 08-30-2015 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2374538)
That aside, why don't people research things that they are spending tens of thousands of dollars on? I was reading about this car for months (6 or 7) before I purchased it, and went out and test drove its competition at the time. Is this abnormal or something? Is it the new norm to go out and make a purchase without doing any research/looking into all of your options?
.

LOL And yet 2 years later...


The ability to be able to perform actual research seems to be a dying art form. The internet with it's wealth of knowledge is there for the taking but who wants to read all that stuff? The debate in the one thread on here shows that people feel all they should have to do is pop up and ask a question and everybody should be tripping all over themselves to answer in full detail. If you just point them to the existing information where they can read and form their own opinion you are called a troll and rude. Not saying questions are bad but many have very obviously never even made a basic attempt to find info before asking. I sometimes wonder how they even found this forum.


I don't think the OP's issue is buyers remorse but more along the lines of the grass is always greener syndrome. Buying a new car is exciting and fun so sometimes rational thought gets pushed aside when the dopamine starts flowing. This is also why you sometimes see people that are very hyped about a car lose interest fairly quickly after they got it. In their head they may rationalize that it didn't fit their needs or expectations but it can also be that they enjoyed the rush of researching, shopping for and getting a car more that the actual ownership of it. The problem being their brain will never, ever let them know that so the pattern keeps repeating over and over as they keep moving from vehicle to vehicle.

Andrew025 08-30-2015 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2374698)
LOL And yet 2 years later...


The ability to be able to perform actual research seems to be a dying art form. The internet with it's wealth of knowledge is there for the taking but who wants to read all that stuff? The debate in the one thread on here shows that people feel all they should have to do is pop up and ask a question and everybody should be tripping all over themselves to answer in full detail. If you just point them to the existing information where they can read and form their own opinion you are called a troll and rude. Not saying questions are bad but many have very obviously never even made a basic attempt to find info before asking. I sometimes wonder how they even found this forum.


I don't think the OP's issue is buyers remorse but more along the lines of the grass is always greener syndrome. Buying a new car is exciting and fun so sometimes rational thought gets pushed aside when the dopamine starts flowing. This is also why you sometimes see people that are very hyped about a car lose interest fairly quickly after they got it. In their head they may rationalize that it didn't fit their needs or expectations but it can also be that they enjoyed the rush of researching, shopping for and getting a car more that the actual ownership of it. The problem being their brain will never, ever let them know that so the pattern keeps repeating over and over as they keep moving from vehicle to vehicle.

Hey bruh id like to read all that but can I get a tldr kthnx

Tcoat 08-30-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew025 (Post 2374707)
Hey bruh id like to read all that but can I get a tldr kthnx

Ppl by car cuz it b fun. L8r want new cuz mor fun

Sideways&Smiling 08-30-2015 02:52 PM

Rule #1: Always test drive things you aren't familiar with that have the potential to be more fun and/or better than your original choice before buying, whether those things are other cars entirely or a different version of the same car (manual).

Rule #2: Manual is always better. :P :D

raven1231 08-30-2015 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2374698)
LOL And yet 2 years later...


The ability to be able to perform actual research seems to be a dying art form. The internet with it's wealth of knowledge is there for the taking but who wants to read all that stuff? The debate in the one thread on here shows that people feel all they should have to do is pop up and ask a question and everybody should be tripping all over themselves to answer in full detail. If you just point them to the existing information where they can read and form their own opinion you are called a troll and rude. Not saying questions are bad but many have very obviously never even made a basic attempt to find info before asking. I sometimes wonder how they even found this forum.


I don't think the OP's issue is buyers remorse but more along the lines of the grass is always greener syndrome. Buying a new car is exciting and fun so sometimes rational thought gets pushed aside when the dopamine starts flowing. This is also why you sometimes see people that are very hyped about a car lose interest fairly quickly after they got it. In their head they may rationalize that it didn't fit their needs or expectations but it can also be that they enjoyed the rush of researching, shopping for and getting a car more that the actual ownership of it. The problem being their brain will never, ever let them know that so the pattern keeps repeating over and over as they keep moving from vehicle to vehicle.

If that was referenced towards me I never had buyers remorse, just had circumstances change in my life where I needed a more practical dd. That's not the same as deciding a few weeks in that I want to jump ship because I read the manual version is better.

strat61caster 08-30-2015 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2374724)
If that was referenced towards me I never had buyers remorse, just had circumstances change in my life where I needed a more practical dd. That's not the same as deciding a few weeks in that I want to jump ship because I read the manual version is better.

Doubtful, lots of people come on here and post uninformed shit that could be solved with a few google searches or want answers spoonfed to them that are there if they are willing to dedicate a few hours to reading up.

There really aren't any mysteries left on this car for the average consumer.

Tcoat 08-30-2015 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2374724)
If that was referenced towards me I never had buyers remorse, just had circumstances change in my life where I needed a more practical dd. That's not the same as deciding a few weeks in that I want to jump ship because I read the manual version is better.

Nope wasn't towards you just your post was the best to base my comment on.
There are certainly good reasons to change and I knew yours was one of them ( my opening was just a friendly poke) . Was more directed at the OP and others of the "got one but now I want a XXX instead" crowd. I didn't make any of this shit up it is a known phenomenon of the mind that sometimes wanting is stronger then having.

Packofcrows 08-30-2015 04:15 PM

Keep it. Save $10k and in less than 2years you should find a twin worth that much. If it bugs you that much, talk to dealer, maybe get a 2013 manual with more miles for a almost equal trade? I'd just keep it. Hope you learned your lesson lol

Biggest difference between auto and manual for me is that manual releases more of the essence of the car and you become more in touch with it. Auto is more like driving a can. Manual is a can with wheels.

Just my thought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliryx (Post 2374527)
Besides i'll only use the car for work and freeway trolling (until I get the turbo).

Please dont become another FRS statistic of dumbness. Or if you are, let me have some interior parts before you go Tokyo Dorifto and Fast and Furious into a wall. I think there's plenty of horrid drivers out there already.

http://www.troll.me/images/anxiety-c...sh-into-me.jpg

strat61caster 08-30-2015 05:53 PM

FWIW if I ended up with an AT (maybe it was handed to me) I'd find my way into an MT asap, I'd happily take the hit of a model year older and 10k or 20k more miles on the MT car.

But that's just me, you couldn't pay some people to drive a manual.

xcooperx 08-30-2015 06:07 PM

i love my auto tranny. I dont have any regrets.

Here so you can sleep at night :burnrubber:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6485

Th3rdSun 08-30-2015 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2374716)
Rule #1: Manual is always better. :P :D

Rule #2: Always test drive things you aren't familiar with that have the potential to be more fun and/or better than your original choice before buying, whether those things are other cars entirely or a different version of the same car (manual).

Fixed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by raven1231 (Post 2374724)
If that was referenced towards me I never had buyers remorse, just had circumstances change in my life where I needed a more practical dd. That's not the same as deciding a few weeks in that I want to jump ship because I read the manual version is better.

So you bought a car that's essentially a two seater with not so good gas mileage? Also living in Ohio,where I'm sure it snows as much as it does here,a rear wheel drive car that you are absolutely going to have to put snow/winter tires on.Yeah,this car is the pretty far form being a practical dd as far as I'm concerned.

Even though it's a little more money,you probably would've been better served buying something else,like a WRX.

raven1231 08-30-2015 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun (Post 2374873)
Fixed!



So you bought a car that's essentially a two seater with not so good gas mileage? Also living in Ohio,where I'm sure it snows as much as it does here,a rear wheel drive car that you are absolutely going to have to put snow/winter tires on.Yeah,this car is the pretty far form being a practical dd as far as I'm concerned.

Even though it's a little more money,you probably would've been better served buying something else,like a WRX.

Oh thanks for the advice man! Seeing as that's exactly what I did...

why? 08-30-2015 07:09 PM

Not sure why so many people hate on autos. They are amazingly good and there is a reason the auto 86 gets better gas mileage than the manual. It really looks like within a couple decades no one will make a manual just because the autos will be better in every way possible.

Who8myrice 08-30-2015 07:30 PM

Be happy with what you got, no need to try this hard to find bad things about auto.
I am sure anyone can come up with why manual is terrible idea.
P.s. I got manual lol

Tcoat 08-30-2015 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by why? (Post 2374887)
Not sure why so many people hate on autos. They are amazingly good and there is a reason the auto 86 gets better gas mileage than the manual. It really looks like within a couple decades no one will make a manual just because the autos will be better in every way possible.

http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/ph.../441386_v1.gif

Bergen23 08-30-2015 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by why? (Post 2374887)
Not sure why so many people hate on autos. They are amazingly good and there is a reason the auto 86 gets better gas mileage than the manual. It really looks like within a couple decades no one will make a manual just because the autos will be better in every way possible.

But connected feeling man!

Wise 08-30-2015 08:43 PM

LOL @ freeway trolling.

Even with Stage 2 openflash tune and a header this car struggles to beat MK5 Golf GTI's.

It just isn't that sort of car.

why? 08-30-2015 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bergen23 (Post 2374923)
But connected feeling man!

I guess so. I'm envisioning auto transmissions we can tune ourselves like we can tune the ECU's now. Could be even more connected.

Wise 08-30-2015 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by why? (Post 2374887)
Not sure why so many people hate on autos. They are amazingly good and there is a reason the auto 86 gets better gas mileage than the manual. It really looks like within a couple decades no one will make a manual just because the autos will be better in every way possible.

Because there's less of an incentive to drive fast? :iono:

LOL jk.

86geek 08-30-2015 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliryx (Post 2374536)
Thanks mini&avette and to all the reply. I just have so much plan on the car, im getting xpel clear full hood, bumper, fenders and side mirrors then opti coat. Maybe it's me i've only driven the car like 8 times so far. When its in sports mode manual mode I like it. Again thanks everyone now I can go to sleep at ease.

Good to hear you're keeping the car and getting Xpel and Opti-Coat done. :)
I drive a auto and use manual mode more than anything. Paddle shifting ;)

strat61caster 08-30-2015 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by why? (Post 2374887)
there is a reason the auto 86 gets better gas mileage than the manual. It really looks like within a couple decades no one will make a manual just because the autos will be better in every way possible.

The Auto gets better gas mileage because it's geared differently. If you put two 86's side by side on the freeway at 65 mph the AT car will be spinning the engine a few hundred rpm less than the MT, that's why it consumes less gas and it's also why it's about a full second slower 0-60.

And in a couple decades it sounds like I'll have even less incentive to buy a new car than I do today.

:burnrubber:

I don't hate autos, I just would rather have a manual.
:cheers:


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