FRS BRZ GT86 discontinuation?
 

Curious what peoples opinions are as to when these cars will be discontinued.

Personally, I hope the sooner the better so they will be limited.

This guy certainly thinks not too much longer...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOrxEBzRD7o

They'll keep making them as long as it's still profitable to do so. Toyota and Subaru are corporations run by spreadsheets first and passion second.

I've already got mine so I don't care if they stop making them or not. Personally I'd rather they keep producing them, because that means aftermarket and replacement OEM parts will be cheaper as the market increases.

When ever it happens it was probably planned before the first one ever came off the line. Although historically there have been models discontinued before they were likely planned to be (i.e the Aztec) the majority are a completely planned event. A new model is a huge investment and it's life span is not left to the whims of consumers. So far these seem to be selling very close to the production numbers and even though sales are declining slowly there are not thousands sitting at port someplace because the dealers won't take them.
I will not even hazard a guess as to when they will stop as I am not privy to Toyota's plans and any theory I threw out would be wild speculation at best.
(Disclaimer. I am on phone and did not watch video so have no clue what was put forward)

The more rare a car is, the less aftermarket it will have and less the car can develop.

This car has many niches associated with it and I'd very much like to see all of them develop further.

Just make sure you buy one again before they discontinue @hmong337

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Well 2 more years for sure that it'll be out. I don't know for 2018.

Remember the twins are not a 'real car,' so to speak. Not a 'car'-'car,' rather a project/experiment.

I hope it is discontinued so I can brag one day my car is as rare as the old AE86's.

I hope it isn't discontinued because that way more idiots will junk their cars so when I need a spare part it'll be cheaper and I wouldnt mind buying another. This time a BRZ in pearl white which I'd put in storage until my FRS began to deteriorate. Plus, if they still make 'em i'm sure in 2years i'll be able to buy one for 10k. There's already a few popping on Craigslist for 15-18k

I think the twins have at least 4 more years in them. The MY17 will get a exterior refresh, and the current twins as we know them will probably be dead in MY20.

Well, they started making miatas around 1990 and they are still making them .... just sayen .....:popcorn:


humfrz

Good! Do it already!!

Hmmm...i have had this on my mind also. I personally thought maybe the 2016 would be the last model year, and if they were to keep making them there would be a exterior refresh for 2017 also as funwheeldrive mentioned.

Personally, i feel

100% they will discontinue this car by 2020
50% chance they will discontinue it in 2018....really depends though....lately, a lot of them are getting harder and harder to sell since almost everyone who wanted on has bought one.

I'm pretty sure there are still countries that have waiting lists for the twins. Plus, it seems like there is a steady amount of newer models being sold in the states still.

I think there is no such thing as "everyone who wanted one has bought one". Maybe everybody that followed it through development has but not everyone. I didn't even know they existed until I was in the dealership to look at Tcs last year. There are plenty of people out there that still don't know they want one, are saving for one, will get a raise and can afford one, will get their license., etc that can and will buy. It isn't like there was a cut off point where everybody that wanted could or would buy. New car buyers are created every single day.
We get trapped into thinking that everybody that buys these are enthusiasts but the reality is that for every fanboy there are 50 or so "average" people that bought or will buy one.
Unfortunately it is the "average" buyer that may keep the car alive but kill it as we know it at the same time. As they try to widen the market they will make more and more drastic changes. These changes will probably not be the high hp more powerful ones that the enthusiasts want but more the gadget filled, easy to drive DD that the masses will buy. We have already seen this trend start with the suspension changes in the 15 and the tech goodies in the special editions and this fouls escalate as they advance the design. The model it's self could go on for 20 more years but in the next couple it could change to something we enthusiasts may not even call a twin.
Just look at the history of the Mustang. The base trim went from econobox to sports car to luxury coupe to sports car to econobox to sports car to luxury coupe and now back to sports car. Not saying that the twins will have the longevity of the Musatng just demonstrating how the manufactures will try to meet the majority of the buyers wants and needs.

Not only that, but I think it's because peeps are finally learning it is not a Mustang with 500whp and it's also not a Tofu machine like Takumi's car from Initial D that can drift for days at every turn. I mean it could, but it'd also need quite a few tune-ups and aftermarket parts. Plus, experience. <----prob biggest factor.

Friend wanted one so bad based on looks, so one day I took 'em around town, he has avoided them ever since... for one I dumped my clutch around 5k(?) accidently on a right turn in rain, and we spun out. I laughed my head off and wen't with it finishing in a small donut 480-ish. Also, he hates having no leg room in back although he is like 5'2, super skinny and allover scrawny (I call 'em monkey).

Some gals I used to work with also wanted one after seeing them in 2012(?) [Las Vegas]. It was a baby blue they fell in love with, but now that they see MPG isn't 50mpg on my car (requires premium) and it has a 'uknown' style of engine [Subaru], they are avoiding it. ...not like they even known what their own engine is.

Lastly, my co-worker took notice of how 'fake' aka plasticky it looks, plus, how 'cheap' the paint is. He also made a big deal of how the interior looks so plain. Like I care. I love plain interiors. Less to clean, no?


All of these people did enjoy how I explained the history of the twin, the enthusiast side of it, practicality and 'blank canvas' style. Unfortunately, even after explaining to them all this, their questions still consisted of:

But can it beat a SI?
But is it faster than a Mustang?
But can it do a good burnout because X car can and it's not a sports car...



At this point I recommended them a Corvette, a Mustang or a Corolla. :bonk::bonk::bonk:

p.s. there was a big influx of twins being traded in here a few months back. Most swapped towards Mustangs! Not surprising.

It is weird that of the hundreds (yes hundreds I am a not a shy guy) people that I have talked to about the car I have only had a handful that had any issue when I told them the power. Most figured it was plenty for "such a small car". It is also that lower power that can sell it to the average Joe. Maybe a regional dirrerence I guess.

As far as the trades we saw on here go that is a very poor indicator of what is normal. Some of those guys claimed to have 4 or 5 cars in a couple of years so it is a case of the grass is always greener or they were full of crap from the start.

Hey wait a second here...
Didn't motoring.au and 20 copycat blogs already tell us that they had information from a "High ranking insider" that the last year was 2015?
That means the 16s don't really exist and the dealers must be scamming everybody. Spray two new colours on and slap a camera on all those unsold 15s and bam you have the 16s.

I'm too innocent on the internets sometimes and gullible. I didn't think of that!~

Age range for my experiences are 18-24. Perhaps that's why...

Age range for me is 18 to 70 so maybe on the average I hit more of the numbers are not everything crowd.

Japanese sports car, they'll milk it until the dealers scream 'stop sending us these!', we will see a 2018 model at least and would not be surprising to see a 2020 model. Very typical, RX-8 went from '03-'12, S2k went from '99-'09, Miata gens last ~8 years, 350z '02-'09, MR2 averaged 8 years per gen as well, not to mention RX-7, Supra, Celica, 300zx, Integra, Prelude etc. all come in around 5-10 years, we've got another 2 years before questioning the end of the model imo. The real coin toss is whether or not a Gen 2 occurs and how aggressive the mid-cycle refresh will be.

I'll hope it's limited, so I can get more when I sell it

Are you planning on selling it in 50 years? That's the only way you'll make more than sticking it in a mutual fund and allowing the money to at least grow with inflation. If you wait 30 years you might have an investment equivalent to sticking that $30k-$40k (remember you can't let it fall into disrepair so include maintenance and storage in your "investment" costs) under your mattress...

Dont forget also leaving milage less than 100k. Then itd be 30k.

We'll find out at @TMS 2015 or @NAIAS 2016. Either the car will get a facelift next year, or the car will get a special edition (with more power and less weight) or the car will get nothing (like most Toyotas and their 10 year life cycle).


For me it doesn't matter, because it will always be between the Toyota and the Mazda. And if the rumors of that the Toyota will be based on the Mazda, that is even better.

the sooner the better..I always wanted a limited production car!

Interesting remark in the video ... No after market exhaust was used.

Keeping it around may convince other brands to come up with there own cheap lightweight performance car. So I hope it sticks around.

it'll come down to the numbers
last I hearrd Toyota had sold about 250,000 of these things which isn't too shabby but mere bagatelle for a firm the size of Toyota
I'd say they'll offer a few more limited editions yet to try and 'jazz it up' who knows these may involve more poke ? which personally I think is all the car needs to lift the sales that and some better tyres and more attractive alloys

I've read somewhere the new (body style) model to come out in 2018.

Surely many of you have read that source also.

Seems logical to me....5 years for our current body style...then a replacement.

This car is just so good, it'll be around for a while.

Unless what you are referencing came directly from Toyota or Subaru the it means nothing.
So far the blogs and click baits have said:
It will be discontinued after the 2015, 16 and 17 model years
The 16s would be turbo with 300hp
There is a convertible and targa for the 15 and 16 mys
The 16s will be made with BMW
The 16s will be made with Mazda
Toyota is dropping it
Subaru is dropping it
The BRZ is getting AWD in 2016
The body is changing in 2016, 17 or 18


All of these articles were based on secret info from some unnamed "insider", twisted around from out of contest quotes from real press releases or interviews or based upon the showing of a concept at some event.
There are a couple of sites that seem to start the rumours and then the rest add to and embellish them and just keep quoting each other as the "authority".
There are known references to speculation in this very forum that was used as "insider" info.
There is at least one known case where a 2013 article said the 15s would be turboed but when that didn't happen they just republished the same write up and changed the date to the 16 my.
In the meantime the only official things we published are a few weeks prior to each MY release.

Speculation can be fun but when people start putting to much trust in the blogs then the level of misinformation can go through the roof.

Don't forget the V8 2017 already in production. It has 400 torque and 420 hp. AWD.

Well if that wasn't it the blogs before it probably is now!
"High level insider says..."

Got a source for that? I remember they wanted 100k per year but the 'we passed 100k' announcement came a bit later than expected at ~1.5 years in.

Not attacking, genuinely interested in how many of these are built worldwide.

it was from the SMMT ( society of motor manufactures & traders) website

Nissan, I'm looking at you.

My advice is just enjoy the damn car and don't worry about how many more models years are left.

i've never understood the whole "ermagerdddd it has to be limited production so I can be so cool!"

No. Limited production means limited support down the road for aftermarket and finding parts will be a b!tch if you plan on keeping it a long time. I'd rather it be well developed and have a lot of options down the road instead of support for the platform slowly dying off because only 3-4 years were made.

Limited production = limited market supply which means us that already own the car will be able to sell it for a very decent price - if we ever sell it. It also means having a limited gem of a car. Doesn't everyone want to own something a little special?

New body style means all of our current body styles lose their value and our ROI will be significantly diminished. Plus it will make all of us want to sell our cars and get the new body style, me included. Thus flooding an unwilling market because no one wants the old body style and it will hard to get anything for our cars.. And for all the cash I have put in this one I pray a new body style doesnt come out lol. Unless its super gorgeous,.. then maybe.

But for someone with a lease I dont think any of this applies..

Not sure if this falls under

"August 2015 rumor thread of the month"
or
"September 2015 rumor thread of the month"

They better my series blue value will double woot!

But obviously that's impossible...

On the bright side we are now down to one a month.

The only return I get out of this car is a smile on my face. Or the smile on my face when I look at how much money I've sent on this "investment".

-alex