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rikdrt1 06-21-2012 12:14 AM

Found Loose wire...?? IDK what it is
 
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so i was poking aroudn trying to find out where to tap in and install some interior lights under the dash on both sides - when i found this. there is a cable wrapped in white vinyl tape that was not connected (right next to your left foot-nxt to the fuse box.. b- so i connected it thinkign maybe it was the dealers hidden 500 dollar addition/alarm system or something and its not -- so i disconnected it again cause i dont know what the heck it is.

is yours disconnected too ?

if not ill put mine in and forget it oterwise im thinking going to scion on the wknd and asking them whats up with that -- not that they would know so soon but got me wondering...

weird.

ayau 06-21-2012 12:29 AM

i couldnt find that cable. maybe it's a frs thing. maybe it's the datalog feature that's only on the frs?

here's mine..

http://i.imgur.com/xd0Oil.jpg

F3dzo 06-21-2012 12:30 AM

I'll check
 
Ill look in my fr-s and see it it's connected... I'll get back to you, hopefully before
someone else

rikdrt1 06-21-2012 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 269816)
i couldnt find that cable. maybe it's a frs thing. maybe it's the datalog feature that's only on the frs?

here's mine..

http://i.imgur.com/xd0Oil.jpg


i think if you move stuff around u should see it - i saw it loose so then i just popped that black piece - it has a small clip that comes out pretty easy - then i was able to see it.. .
or if u put your fingers behind ther u should be able to see that single wire/clip thing...

JohnnyP 06-21-2012 12:56 AM

Is your car an automatic?

ayau 06-21-2012 12:58 AM

mine is a manual if that helps.

JohnnyP 06-21-2012 01:05 AM

If the OP's car is automatic, then I know what it is and it should definitely be CONNECTED.

JohnnyP 06-21-2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 269892)
mine is a manual if that helps.

That would explain why you didn't have the wire, it's exclusive to the automatics.

baldolera 06-21-2012 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269904)
If the OP's car is automatic, then I know what it is and it should definitely be CONNECTED.

What is it then? Don't keep us all in suspicion haha

JohnnyP 06-21-2012 01:16 AM

It's a connector that is supposed to be connected during the PDI (pre-delivery inspection) process at the dealership before the vehicle is sold. It's one of two things that most Toyota vehicles don't come equipped with (probably a Subaru thing) that are a step for PDI'ing this car and as such may have been overlooked. From what I remember, it allows the key to be removed from the ignition even if the shifter is in "D" or one of the other positions. Again, this is only if the car is an automatic though...

As a Toyota tech, I've gotten lucky and only had to PDI manual cars so I haven't actually seen the connector yet.

Mr.Jay 06-21-2012 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269924)
From what I remember, it allows the key to be removed from the ignition even if the shifter is in "D" or one of the other positions. Again, this is only if the car is an automatic though...

As a Toyota tech, I've gotten lucky and only had to PDI manual cars so I haven't actually seen the connector yet.

OP should connect that right away!

Bad on the dealerships part there. How did they miss something that important

JohnnyP 06-21-2012 01:26 AM

Like I said, for Toyota/Scion vehicles this is a first and anyone that didn't read this vehicles PDI instructions very carefully could have easily missed it. We don't usually try and remove the key in "D" as part of the PDI process either. It's a stupid, but honest mistake. The better question is why are they shipped to dealers like this, why not connect it during production?

DaJo 06-21-2012 01:34 AM

There was a post here about how the cars come in with a steady "Check Engine Light" for PDI purposes... After PDI, the technician is suppose to plug this port in upon completion?...:iono:

Trying to find that thread again, but having a hard time looking for it. lol

rikdrt1 06-21-2012 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269905)
That would explain why you didn't have the wire, it's exclusive to the automatics.

yes, its AUTO

rikdrt1 06-21-2012 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269948)
Like I said, for Toyota/Scion vehicles this is a first and anyone that didn't read this vehicles PDI instructions very carefully could have easily missed it. We don't usually try and remove the key in "D" as part of the PDI process either. It's a stupid, but honest mistake. The better question is why are they shipped to dealers like this, why not connect it during production?

thanks JOHNNY-P -- great to know -- im going to hook that up now.

man, this FORUM is just great -- i was hoping it would add another 50Hp.. lol


THANKS AGAIN.

JohnnyP 06-21-2012 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DaJoian (Post 269952)
There was a post here about how the cars come in with a steady "Check Engine Light" for PDI purposes... After PDI, the technician is suppose to plug this port in upon completion?...:iono:

Trying to find that thread again, but having a hard time looking for it. lol

This is the other condition that Toyota/Scion techs aren't/weren't accustomed to. Until the "Short Pin" is installed in the vehicle, the MIL flashes constantly (another Toyota first). This happens in the manual or automatic and threw me for a loop the first car I did.

That condition doesn't actually include any connectors though, the "Short Pin" is actually a 30 amp fuse in the fuse box in the engine compartment, completely unrelated.

JohnnyP 06-21-2012 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rikdrt1 (Post 269957)
thanks JOHNNY-P -- great to know -- im going to hook that up now.

man, this FORUM is just great -- i was hoping it would add another 50Hp.. lol


THANKS AGAIN.

Glad to help out. I've been lurking on this forum after being active on the FR-S Forum for a while and this post finally pushed me into registering, so thank YOU.

DaJo 06-21-2012 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269958)
This is the other condition that Toyota/Scion techs aren't/weren't accustomed to. Until the "Short Pin" is installed in the vehicle, the MIL flashes constantly (another Toyota first). This happens in the manual or automatic and threw me for a loop the first car I did.

That condition doesn't actually include any connectors though, the "Short Pin" is actually a 30 amp fuse in the fuse box in the engine compartment, completely unrelated.

Ahh! Thanks for clearing that up. :happy0180:

SilentAngel 06-21-2012 03:03 AM

I have this cable, I have a AT FRS, its connected on my car.

Brett 06-21-2012 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269962)
Glad to help out. I've been lurking on this forum after being active on the FR-S Forum for a while and this post finally pushed me into registering, so thank YOU.

Any chance we could get a thread with the whole PDI checklist? Seems like a few things have been missed here and there, and it would be pretty cool if people could double check.

Brett

MattR 06-21-2012 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett (Post 270314)
Any chance we could get a thread with the whole PDI checklist? Seems like a few things have been missed here and there, and it would be pretty cool if people could double check.

Brett

I would love to have this checklist for whenever mine gets here :happy0180:

Draco-REX 06-21-2012 09:31 AM

And we're sure it's not on any Manual cars?

Anyone see any disconnected GREEN connectors?

Cornerman 06-21-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett (Post 270314)
Any chance we could get a thread with the whole PDI checklist? Seems like a few things have been missed here and there, and it would be pretty cool if people could double check.

Brett



Check out the BRZ Factory Service Manual sticky that Hachiroku posted in the Maintenance forum. The connector is mentioned at step 30 on pages PI-3 and PI-14. Good stuff!

I can't wait till the whole wiring diagram is posted!

phattyduck 06-21-2012 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 270359)
And we're sure it's not on any Manual cars?

Anyone see any disconnected GREEN connectors?

Are you asking about the programming connectors that are found on earlier Subarus? (that was my thought when I first saw the connectors above...)

-Charlie

Draco-REX 06-21-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phattyduck (Post 270777)
Are you asking about the programming connectors that are found on earlier Subarus? (that was my thought when I first saw the connectors above...)

-Charlie

Exactly.

Although, the 05-09 Legacy also had white connectors that when put together and the car turned to ON, would make the instrument cluster act like a code reader.

motofan 06-22-2012 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269924)
It's a connector that is supposed to be connected during the PDI (pre-delivery inspection) process at the dealership before the vehicle is sold. It's one of two things that most Toyota vehicles don't come equipped with (probably a Subaru thing) that are a step for PDI'ing this car and as such may have been overlooked. From what I remember, it allows the key to be removed from the ignition even if the shifter is in "D" or one of the other positions. Again, this is only if the car is an automatic though...

As a Toyota tech, I've gotten lucky and only had to PDI manual cars so I haven't actually seen the connector yet.

Thanks man. Same lose connector found on my friend's FR-S. BTW, the radio was in tC mode too... What were they doing before delivery!! This forum is just awesome! My friend told me once she was unable to start the car and found the gear was not in P. Now she won't be able to remove the key while in D!

motofan 06-22-2012 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornerman (Post 270449)
Check out the BRZ Factory Service Manual sticky that Hachiroku posted in the Maintenance forum. The connector is mentioned at step 30 on pages PI-3 and PI-14. Good stuff!

I can't wait till the whole wiring diagram is posted!

Reading that. Do you have "26.GROMMET INSTALLATION - Install the grommet contained in the glove box tothe tie-down hole." completed?

Boosted2.0 06-22-2012 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269948)
Like I said, for Toyota/Scion vehicles this is a first and anyone that didn't read this vehicles PDI instructions very carefully could have easily missed it. We don't usually try and remove the key in "D" as part of the PDI process either. It's a stupid, but honest mistake. The better question is why are they shipped to dealers like this, why not connect it during production?

It is for use in transport. They have to come across the pond on a mig car transport ship. The connector is left disconnected to prevent damage to the transmission in shipping. The exact reason hasn't been stated, but I suspect they like to leave them in Neutral to make fine position adjustments when strapping them down on the ship. They would have to leave the key on to do this otherwise, which could/would kill the battery.

This ONLY affects autos as has been said - doesn't need to be connected in a manual.

Dadhawk 06-22-2012 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyP (Post 269924)
It's a connector that is supposed to be connected during the PDI (pre-delivery inspection) process at the dealership before the vehicle is sold. It's one of two things that most Toyota vehicles don't come equipped with (probably a Subaru thing) that are a step for PDI'ing this car and as such may have been overlooked. From what I remember, it allows the key to be removed from the ignition even if the shifter is in "D" or one of the other positions. Again, this is only if the car is an automatic though...

As a Toyota tech, I've gotten lucky and only had to PDI manual cars so I haven't actually seen the connector yet.

So, if it is unplugged, you can remove the key in "D", and it should then be plugged in? Figured that would be an easier test than looking for the wire.

Boosted2.0 06-22-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 272696)
So, if it is unplugged, you can remove the key in "D", and it should then be plugged in? Figured that would be an easier test than looking for the wire.

Correct

TOMIMOTO 06-22-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Draco-REX (Post 270842)
Exactly.

Although, the 05-09 Legacy also had white connectors that when put together and the car turned to ON, would make the instrument cluster act like a code reader.

I have a MY00 RS. This is what I was thinking the plug was.

What are these dumb ass pictures of FRS's in between every post? Damn that's annoying.

Draco-REX 06-22-2012 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TOMIMOTO (Post 273492)
I have a MY00 RS. This is what I was thinking the plug was.

What are these dumb ass pictures of FRS's in between every post? Damn that's annoying.

??? I'm not seeing pictures in between.

TOMIMOTO 06-22-2012 07:41 PM

I'm on my iPad3 and in between almost every post where it shows the time of the post there's a little avatar pic of an FRS and it's stretching out the threads.

JohnnyP 06-22-2012 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0 (Post 272651)
It is for use in transport. They have to come across the pond on a mig car transport ship. The connector is left disconnected to prevent damage to the transmission in shipping. The exact reason hasn't been stated, but I suspect they like to leave them in Neutral to make fine position adjustments when strapping them down on the ship. They would have to leave the key on to do this otherwise, which could/would kill the battery.

This ONLY affects autos as has been said - doesn't need to be connected in a manual.

That makes perfect sense, the Fr-S is catching a lot of techs by surprise as much as I expect it to catch a lot of salespeople by surprise. Some dealerships (like mine) are lucky to have salespeople and techs that have been following everything about this car for over a year, but they are few and far between.

If anyone finds this wire not connected, I would connect it and then call your dealer. It isn't your job to tell them they forgot a step, but do you really want this happening to someone else. It's sad to say, but most Fr-S owners are going to know their car better than the dealer.

JUST NOT AT LONGO!!:D

Moto-P 06-10-2020 01:42 PM

If it is disconnected, connect it. It is a Ignition Key Interlock circuit that needs to be connected for the keys to lock in place, when the car is in any other gear than in "P" (PARK) on Automatic Transmission cars.

The connector is disconnected from the factory for shipping purposes when the car-carrier transports the car from Japan to abroad, and worker needs to place the car in neutral while on a ship without keys.

The dealers are required to reconnect this plug upon receiving inventory of cars, and check again before delivery of the car to a new owner.
Some dealerships did not do this, and therefore, left the socket unplugged.

This is actually a RECALL code G0E under Toyota, and requires all 2013-2017 cars to be brought back to the dealer for a recheck. In many states, this RECALL is a FVMSS matter and has to be serviced by Toyota under free recall service, for vehicle registration renewal as well.


FOLLOWING from TOYOTA

NHTSA Vehicle Safety Recalls
Recall Number
16V075000
Recall Date
02/10/2016
Component
POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:PARK/NEUTRAL START SWITCH
Summary
Toyota Motor Company (Toyota) is recalling certain model year 2013-2016 Toyota Scion FR-S vehicles manufactured March 13, 2012, to January 14, 2016 and equipped an automatic transmission and ignition key. Vehicles with a push-to-start button are not affected. In the affected vehicles, it may be possible to remove the ignition key without the transmission being in the "Park" position. As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard number 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention."

Consequence
If the key can be removed from the ignition when the transmission is not in the "Park" position, the vehicle could roll away increasing the risk of a crash and occupant or pedestrian injuries.

What Owners Should Do
Toyota will notify owners, and dealers will inspect the ignition key/transmission interlock wiring connections, correcting them as necessary, free of charge. The recall began on March 7, 2016. Owners may contact Toyota customer service at 1-800-331-4331. Toyota's number for this recall is G0E.


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