Twins vs M2
 

I know the M2 isn't out yet, but I am salivating. ~400hp, RWD, reasonably sized, and maybe 3550lbs with a DCT transmission?

Why do people try and compare the BRZ/FRS to cars that cost more than twice as much?

Sure the BMW M2 looks amazing but 99.9% of people are not realistically cross shopping between the two.

Other than 2 doors and RWD these cars couldn't be further apart. If you like to interact with and fully control your car then you'd hate this BMW.

BMW stopped being the ultimate driving machine as soon as they killed the E92 M3.


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You could realistically get two twins for what the M2 will cost. Now if the 228 was a decent handler, you could reasonably compare it to that, but from what I have read the handling on that thing is extremely disappointing.

I dunno. People tend to say that the M cars actually perform and feel pretty darned good. The 2-series is less than 10" longer and even 1/10" narrower. Not exactly a huge difference. As for money, one guys finances are not everyone's. I don't shop by price range as much as I shop for what I want and am able to afford.

Oh, and the backseat is more usable than the twins. That's a plus.

The 228 is a solid handler. I autocrossed one before. The steering is a bit numb, but an M-car would probably fix that.

completely different car. An M2 would do everything better than a twin aside from gas mileage. Even though its only 10" longer its about 700 pounds more than a twin and i guarantee you would feel that in an autocross.

For the price of an M2 you could get a mint E92 M3 and change in ur pocket.

Because everyone compared the twins to a Porsche Cayman when it first came out.

For me, it was more the E82 1M/135i. That was and is a very fun car.

3500 lbs

Nope.

Last good M cars (in my opinion) was the M coupe and the 1M.

Just like any M car, comparing to the frs/brz, it will be faster, heavier, more refined, handles just as good probably with more body roll.

That doesn't sound too bad.

2 Series driving position is not that great, and Bimmer steering wheels now feel so thick with foam like those steering wheel covers they sell at Walmart. Seeing how they are also putting black decals on the side body to mimic bodykit sideskirts on their newest cars lol! No thanks!

long live the E30M

BMW...more like gayyyy

Good point. I'd take that high revving V8 over a turbo 6 every time.

I would rather buy a kit from DBW in Atlanta that cost less than 5k with install/tune/and dyno than get a 3500 lb M2. And for some reason the only BMW I like the looks of is the overweight Z4 and 4 series.

I like it.

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It isn't a bad comparison per say. When the FR-S first came out a Rocket Bunny kit wasn't cheap. I'd say 7-8000 maybe $10,000 with a nice 2nd set of wheels with tires. Forced induction with an appropriate suspension and brakes, your looking at another 10g's at least.


Someone on the 2addicts forum claims, from a rep, the M2 will start at $51,000.


If this is true, that's thousands less than what I first thought. With this information combined with a decent residual lease, the thought of throwing money away on a supercharged daily driving FR-S has lingered.

You could buy 2 good used FR-S's and turbo charge both of them for the price of 1 M2. And the M2 has an 'active differential' which uses sensors and an electric motor.... to many parts that could break and malfunction. I think a LSD would have been a better route (more proven solution).

People on this forum will compare the FRS/BRZ to pretty much everything and still ultimately decide that the FRS/BRZ is the better car.

How can any realistic comparison even be made to the M2? This shit isn't even out yet.

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Sorry but anything up around the $50k range, I'm looking at the Shelby 350. The m2 is nice and all but it doesn't ooze specialness like a 5.2 liter v8 at 8200rpm. Not even close.

I came across a 1M at my last track day at VIR. Very impressive car. Pulled over 5 bus lengths on me on the front straight (about 80-120 mph in the FR-S). Even my friend's supercharged E46M didn't pull nearly that hard. Factory turbo'd cars make power so easily with mods. It was also nearly as fast as my car through corners.

If it's anything like the old one, the new 2M should be pretty spectacular.

Good handling chassis + turbo I6 = :wub:

The M2 will be fairly similar to the 1M I recon, which was a good car. But not comparable to the twins.

If anything, the twins are a modern day equivalent of the E30 icon. Similar concept, weight and power. Both drivers cars, both did well with some further fine tuning, and both have been subjected to ludicrous turbo builds and engine swaps.

Some things don't change.

Let's bench race the new M2 against the FRS.

- M2 is about 22% heavier.

- M2 will have about 82% more horsepower.

M2 FTW Brah!

In all seriousness, the M2 looks like it will be a nice ride.

Both true and not true, modern cars are surprisingly well at "coping" with weight. I've driven cars that feel similar in weight but different in reality. Lightness is always but it isn't the end all be all. While no light weight, but surprisingly the F80 M3 I tossed around felt as nimble and flat as my FR-S. My E92 M3 on the other hand doesn't mask the weight as well.

Cast in point is from behind the drivers seat on the street doing sporty driving, the F80 is almost every bit as nimble and lightweight on the feet as the FR-S despite being hundred pounds more. With that said, tires and brakes and other wear components will wear much faster on the M cars. I think the new M rolls less than the FRS stock for stock.

I'm sure the M2 will be another great driver's car per say.

With wide, sticky tires, computer-controlled differentials, active roll bars, and computer-controlled struts, even a pig can dance. That doesn't mean a heavy car is the same experience as a lighter one.

M2 is less than 100 lb lighter than an M4. So really, what's the point?


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Length, width, and the resulting handling. But yes, it's a bummer BMW can't make a light car.

The M4 weighs 3530 lbs.

According to BMW, the M2 should weigh around 3295 lbs. Still a bit heavy but ~235 lbs. lighter than an M4, along with smaller overall dimensions.

I've said it on another forum, but Idk, at this point the amount of "M" models is kind of out of control. Is there really a need to have an M version of every car they make? It kind of detracts from the essence of what the car is to me. :iono:

Damn them and their diabolical money making schemes!!

Haha didn't mean it like that! I just begin to wonder why even produce a "normal" line if there is a performance model of almost every model they offer. Again, just pondering!

That's a European weight figure, which may or may not be a dry weight. The official weight stated by BMW for the USA is 3450 for the manual transmission model; 3505 for the DCT. An M4 is 23-135 lb heavier depending on transmissions compared.

Yeah they really said "f*ck it" when they started building M versions of the X5 and X6. Ultimate form of brand whoring and cheapening of a division steeped in motorsports legend. They're still holding the line and refuse to build a M7 which is a good thing. Though honestly if they ever make an M version of the X1 I'll have completely given up on them.

An X1 M would sell like hotcakes. They're fools for not making one.

Ah I hadn't seen the 3450 lbs curb weight figure before. That's surprisingly heavy then for the US spec M2.

To me, as long as they keep producing the M3/M4 (and now M2 since every model has gotten so big), it doesn't really bother me what other M cars they come out with.

If there's enough demand for the other M variants, it would be strange not to sell them right?

I see two sets of numbers floating about. Either way, 100-200 lbs is not a big difference for the size difference, but it is a lot more than a twin.

I would get a focus RS, smoke the M2 everywhere I go (similar power, less weight and AWD) and have enough room for family and luggage. And if you argue the M2 is more prestige, the focus RS is just as exclusive since it is first time that North America gets it.

All M models, except the E30, have all been in that ballpark in weight, or more. E36, E46, E90 (more) and the current models, none of them has been "light".