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timmydatooth 08-11-2015 05:08 PM

Need some help with some wiring
 
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Im trying to hook up my led drl fog lights. But i have no idea how to connect these 2 red wires? Do i just shove the metal piece inside and put the clear plastic piece over it? It doesnt seem to fit when i try it. Thanks in advance

RustySocket 08-11-2015 05:32 PM

Yep, its called a bullet connector. Push hard.

WhiteFRS69 08-11-2015 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RustySocket (Post 2353841)
Yep, its called a bullet connector. Push hard.

thats what she said....

tiz22 08-11-2015 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteFRS69 (Post 2353845)
thats what she said....

Penetrate the male end into the female end until it's so deep that you can't easily pull it out...and make sure it's wrapped tight with the rubber glove

MisterSheep 08-11-2015 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tiz22 (Post 2353849)
Penetrate the male end into the female end until it's so deep that you can't easily pull it out...and make sure it's wrapped tight with the rubber glove

:bow::bow::bow::bow: :laughabove:

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timmydatooth 08-11-2015 05:45 PM

Thank you so much! Now while i have your attention guys which one of these wire do i tap in to so that my fogs will be on when i turn on the parking lights? Theres red black and green. I was assuming red but maybe its green...

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Bergen23 08-11-2015 06:14 PM

Test with a multimeter and see which one receives about 12VDC with the key on and the light switch in the desired position. . Tap into that one.

timmydatooth 08-11-2015 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bergen23 (Post 2353898)
Test with a multimeter and see which one receives about 12VDC with the key on and the light switch in the desired position. . Tap into that one.

Dont have access to a multimeter right now...any other way to test it?

DAEMANO 08-11-2015 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by timmydatooth (Post 2353905)
Dont have access to a multimeter right now...any other way to test it?

1. Turn key on
2. Put your tongue on it

KIDDING DONT!

Shitty 12v tester light from any auto parts store
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timmydatooth 08-11-2015 06:38 PM

Im about to say screw it and tap into the red one...i doubt the power wire would be green...is that ever the case tho?

Bergen23 08-11-2015 07:03 PM

Green is most often a ground

Tcoat 08-11-2015 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by timmydatooth (Post 2353948)
Im about to say screw it and tap into the red one...i doubt the power wire would be green...is that ever the case tho?

Take the time find out what is right or pay the price! BCUs are not cheap as many here have found out. I don't know what is what but I do know that with the number of wires used in modern cars the "standard" colour references can go out the window. Red could very well be a ground in this case or maybe not but don't wire by guessing.

timmydatooth 08-11-2015 07:24 PM

Whats the worse that can happen if i tap into the wrong wire?

Tcoat 08-11-2015 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by timmydatooth (Post 2354032)
Whats the worse that can happen if i tap into the wrong wire?

Worst - Dead short, bad fuse, burned up car
Bad - Blown control module, very expensive
Moderate - Blow a 50 cent fuse, finding which is the fun part
Best - It works no issues


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wireman957 08-11-2015 09:26 PM

I realize I'm a newcomer here, but I am a journeyman electrician for the last 22 years. The color code standard for DC (direct current) wiring is green=ground, black=negative and any other color (in this case red) = hot, or positive. Hi guys!

Tcoat 08-11-2015 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2354171)
I realize I'm a newcomer here, but I am a journeyman electrician for the last 22 years. The color code standard for DC (direct current) wiring is green=ground, black=negative and any other color (in this case red) = hot, or positive. Hi guys!

So two red wires on one and one on the other. Where does the second red wire go?
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F3RGY68 08-11-2015 09:33 PM

While ground is normally green, I do know green in the dome light is power while red is a ground for the door switch. Just for future reference, and to say it's not always safe to assume green=ground.

Tcoat 08-11-2015 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2354171)
I realize I'm a newcomer here, but I am a journeyman electrician for the last 22 years. The color code standard for DC (direct current) wiring is green=ground, black=negative and any other color (in this case red) = hot, or positive. Hi guys!

Also as I said the standard colour system is frequently pitched out in cars.
You wire green as ground on what ever this is from you are in for a rude shock (no pun intended).
http://www.bluewaterbritishcarclub.c...olourcodes.bmp

Ultramaroon 08-11-2015 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by timmydatooth (Post 2354032)
Whats the worse that can happen if i tap into the wrong wire?

Seriously, guessing is the quickest path to failure. If you aren't confident in figuring out how to be certain, find/make a friend who is.

We can only help so much. You have to make that decision.

wireman957 08-11-2015 09:46 PM

That's a really good question. In my opinion, if the manufacturer is doing things correctly, the connector would just be like a splice in the red conductor. Kind of like a standard light switch is just an on-off disconnect between power and the base of a light bulb. Looking at this connector, though, that's tough to tell. A continuity tester (or to be redundant from a previous post, a multimeter) would tell if the two red wires are electrically connected inside the connector. Interesting...Tcoat, you are one of the last people on this forum I'd like to piss off and you are the first to respond to my previous post!

It may be, that if the two red conductors are not internally connected, that the other can be connected to negative. Generally speaking, a light bulb will still work if the hot/neutral or positive /negative are reversed. At any rate, the green should definitely be a ground, unless Subaru/Toyota has completely thrown convention out the window.

wireman957 08-11-2015 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2354180)
Also as I said the standard colour system is frequently pitched out in cars.
You wire green as ground on what ever this is from you are in for a rude shock (no pun intended).
http://www.bluewaterbritishcarclub.c...olourcodes.bmp

Okay, wow...I'm smiling big-time. You show a Lucas chart. Years ago, I owned a '57 MGA with Lucas Electricals. There is a reason Lucas was called the Prince Of Darkness. Like I said, in agreement with an earlier post, the best way to tell which is the positive wire is with a multimeter. Check between two wires and when the switch is on figure out which two wires give you a reading of approximately positive 12V. That should show you which is the + wire and which is the - wire. Ground shouldn't even be an issue.

Tcoat 08-12-2015 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2354188)
That's a really good question. In my opinion, if the manufacturer is doing things correctly, the connector would just be like a splice in the red conductor. Kind of like a standard light switch is just an on-off disconnect between power and the base of a light bulb. Looking at this connector, though, that's tough to tell. A continuity tester (or to be redundant from a previous post, a multimeter) would tell if the two red wires are electrically connected inside the connector. Interesting...Tcoat, you are one of the last people on this forum I'd like to piss off and you are the first to respond to my previous post!

It may be, that if the two red conductors are not internally connected, that the other can be connected to negative. Generally speaking, a light bulb will still work if the hot/neutral or positive /negative are reversed. At any rate, the green should definitely be a ground, unless Subaru/Toyota has completely thrown convention out the window.

Dude I wasn't pissed off. It was a real question. It is just way to easy to read everything as sarcasm or mad. I totally agree with your statement that those are the colours for standard for DC wiring but learned the hard way several times that wiring harnesses sometimes (not always) deviate from that standard and wiring by trial and error has nasty results.

wireman957 08-12-2015 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2354442)
Dude I wasn't pissed off. It was a real question. It is just way to easy to read everything as sarcasm or mad. I totally agree with your statement that those are the colours for standard for DC wiring but learned the hard way several times that wiring harnesses sometimes (not always) deviate from that standard and wiring by trial and error has nasty results.

I didn't think you were pissed off. Just that I don't want to piss you off. You have a wicked sense of humor and sarcasm from what I've read before posting. And you're absolutely right about wire color conventions going out the window in auto wiring. I've run into situations where I could swear the manufacturer just used whatever color wire happened to be laying around that day. In the fore-mentioned MGA, add that to the fact the system was 12V positive ground and it could REALLY mess you up. I can't see the previous posts right now, but the one that first suggested using a multimeter was right on. They can be had cheap and are worth every penny when trying to trace circuitry.

Edit: In fact, black, being (supposedly) negative should be the normal ground in these cars, so green could very possibly be another positive wire for some function.

Tcoat 08-12-2015 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2354471)
I didn't think you were pissed off. Just that I don't want to piss you off. You have a wicked sense of humor and sarcasm from what I've read before posting. And you're absolutely right about wire color conventions going out the window in auto wiring. I've run into situations where I could swear the manufacturer just used whatever color wire happened to be laying around that day. In the fore-mentioned MGA, add that to the fact the system was 12V positive ground and it could REALLY mess you up. I can't see the previous posts right now, but the one that first suggested using a multimeter was right on. They can be had cheap and are worth every penny when trying to trace circuitry.

Edit: In fact, black, being (supposedly) negative should be the normal ground in these cars, so green could very possibly be another positive wire for some function.

Hmmmm somebody that actually reads before posting I think we will get along just fine. And don't worry I get over being pissed off fast and some of the guys that pissed me off the worst are now my best cyber buds.
@timmydatooth did you get this figured out yet?

Braces 08-12-2015 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2354471)
I didn't think you were pissed off. Just that I don't want to piss you off.

Hilarious. Tcoat the Internet hitman.

Uh, I was just kidding. Please don't kill my family.:cheers:

Tcoat 08-12-2015 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Braces (Post 2354583)
Hilarious. Tcoat the Internet hitman.

Uh, I was just kidding. Please don't kill my family.:cheers:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93085

Max FRS 08-12-2015 01:07 PM

If you will do a search for "sidemarker", there are posts about making the sidemarker blink and I remember reading one that gave the which color wire in the front signal lights controls run and blink operations. If I remember correctly, the left and right sides have different colored wires doing the same function.

Chaetagnath 08-12-2015 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by timmydatooth (Post 2353855)
Thank you so much! Now while i have your attention guys which one of these wire do i tap in to so that my fogs will be on when i turn on the parking lights? Theres red black and green. I was assuming red but maybe its green...

http://i59.tinypic.com/2vx1sls.jpg

Probably want to double check with a voltmeter, but I am pretty sure red is turn signal, green is parking light, and black is the ground for both.

Ultramaroon 08-13-2015 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2354546)
@timmydatooth did you get this figured out yet?

Nice job. You scared off another one.

aegisdrgn 08-13-2015 12:21 AM

Instead of tapping into the turn signals, you could connect the red power wire to either the fuse box, or pull it all the way into the cabin, which is how I did it. This guide is pretty comprehensive.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...738#post701738

aegisdrgn 08-13-2015 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaetagnath (Post 2355582)
Probably want to double check with a voltmeter, but I am pretty sure red is turn signal, green is parking light, and black is the ground for both.

Or, if you really want it on only when your parking light is on...Chaetagnath's got your back. Tap into the green.

Another person's done it as well:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=69

Tcoat 08-13-2015 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2355622)
Nice job. You scared off another one.

Just didn't want the poor guy blowing something by hooking into random wires. I knew somebody that actually knows how to do it would eventually reply if he was just patient enough to wait for the answer.

timmydatooth 08-13-2015 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aegisdrgn (Post 2355639)
Or, if you really want it on only when your parking light is on...Chaetagnath's got your back. Tap into the green.

Another person's done it as well:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=69

So i tried to do that. But for the life of me i couldnt figure out how to get the t-taps that cane with the kit to work. I put both wires in and closed the t-tap all the way until it clicked. Leds did not turn on. I took the t-tap off and it didnt even look like it cut through the wire. Am i doing it right?

Max FRS 08-13-2015 11:08 AM

T-Taps are size specific meaning if you use a 10/12 t-tap on a 14 gauge wire, the t-tap will be too large to cut through the rubber insulator. Most of those wires are probably in the 18-22 gauge range so you need a t-tap that size.

timmydatooth 08-13-2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Max FRS (Post 2356022)
T-Taps are size specific meaning if you use a 10/12 t-tap on a 14 gauge wire, the t-tap will be too large to cut through the rubber insulator. Most of those wires are probably in the 18-22 gauge range so you need a t-tap that size.

Damn that sucks. Ill upload a pic of what they look like when i get home. Is there an easier way to tap into a wire besides the ttaps?

timmydatooth 08-14-2015 07:29 PM

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I got those suckers installed FINALLY! Thanks to everyone on this thread who helped out. Couldnt have done it without you guys. Lol i owe all of you a beer! Cheers!

wireman957 08-14-2015 07:35 PM

Very nice! Good job! What did you learn about the wiring color scheme?

aegisdrgn 08-14-2015 07:40 PM

Nice! Congrats and enjoy!

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Hotrodheart 08-14-2015 07:58 PM

Just don't let @Tcoat do your wiring....


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timmydatooth 08-14-2015 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wireman957 (Post 2357896)
Very nice! Good job! What did you learn about the wiring color scheme?

I just went with what other people were suggesting saying green is the power wire. Double checked at the auto store they let me use a volt meter.


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