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neroman98 08-02-2015 08:35 PM

Should I buy a BRZ or should I wait for the next Gen?
 
There may be a similar thread to this already but I want to describe my exact situation to get accurate advice. I want a track car that I can drive every once in a while on streets, just as a fun car to take to canyons and track days while keeping my daily driver nice and healthy. I've decided on the BRZ for the weight and for the modification possibilities. But heres my dilemma: Buy a BRZ now or wait until the next gen? If I buy it now, I'm going to get a used BRZ and put the money i saved into a supercharger and some aero, but if I wait for the next gen, my budget will probably limit me from buying many mods. But then again, the next version will probably be faster and need less mods. Theres no real chance of me selling the car and buying the next gen once it comes out since i would lose so much money on the mods I'm putting into it. AHHH. What should i do guys?

ajaxthebetter 08-02-2015 08:42 PM

It is not likely that the next gen will be faster than a current gen with a supercharger. Much like the Miata, the BRZ/FRS are likely only to undergo small changes. New bumpers. Different Bushings. Reworked intake for 5hp. Marginal things like this.

All assumptions, but collectively shared by many here.

soulreapersteve 08-02-2015 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neroman98 (Post 2343827)
There may be a similar thread to this already but I want to describe my exact situation to get accurate advice. I want a track car that I can drive every once in a while on streets, just as a fun car to take to canyons and track days while keeping my daily driver nice and healthy. I've decided on the BRZ for the weight and for the modification possibilities. But heres my dilemma: Buy a BRZ now or wait until the next gen? If I buy it now, I'm going to get a used BRZ and put the money i saved into a supercharger and some aero, but if I wait for the next gen, my budget will probably limit me from buying many mods. But then again, the next version will probably be faster and need less mods. Theres no real chance of me selling the car and buying the next gen once it comes out since i would lose so much money on the mods I'm putting into it. AHHH. What should i do guys?


You already answered your own question :)

raven1231 08-02-2015 09:38 PM

Gen 3 bro

ericmpena 08-02-2015 09:55 PM

I'd just grab a used, cheaper one now. I'm sure the money you'd save will be much more useful than spending much more for a new one with slightly subtle changes.
Unless this car started selling with upgraded factory performance like a turbo or supercharger, there's no point in buying new.

tyrantcf 08-02-2015 10:02 PM

Here we go again.

For the 800th time, do not wait for the 2nd gen. Don't do it. Why? Because the third gen won't be far behind and it will come standard with a sizeable turbo.

Search motoring.au, it's all there.

wbradley 08-03-2015 12:20 AM

With the KERS drive system on the next gen, all you will need is a bigger capacitor package to have yourself a baby 918. I'm working on a retrofit package in my garage for people that want to upgrade their gen 1 cars, but the engineering is running over budget. So far, I have burned up 2 pencils, a calculator battery and a spiral bound pad. Gonna make the jump to a solar powered calculator next.

Tcoat 08-03-2015 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbradley (Post 2344009)
With the KERS drive system on the next gen, all you will need is a bigger capacitor package to have yourself a baby 918. I'm working on a retrofit package in my garage for people that want to upgrade their gen 1 cars, but the engineering is running over budget. So far, I have burned up 2 pencils, a calculator battery and a spiral bound pad. Gonna make the jump to a solar powered calculator next.

I can lend you my side rule and abacus. No batteries required.

strat61caster 08-03-2015 12:51 AM

Wait for AWD Turbo/Supercharged STI definitely, I hear it will be out next year only and then replaced with a hybrid so better save your monies up for it now so you can pay dealer markup and not miss out on maximum performance and maximizing your dollars and owning all the other guys who couldn't wait like you could because your the best and you have the very best and you drive flat out.

juliog 08-03-2015 12:55 AM

If you already DD something else, I would vote against the FR-S/BRZ, and recommend the 2016 Miata instead (or a used S2000 if you're feeling adventurous, but expect to spend a lot of coin for a nice one). The twins are great if you can only have one car because of their practicality, but for a dedicated track toy or canyon carver, a roadster is more fun.

Also if you think this car needs 300HP (already thinking of supercharger?!), get something else.

soulreapersteve 08-03-2015 01:24 AM

I'm thinking about trading in my 2 month old FRS for a new BRZ. Opinions?

Tcoat 08-03-2015 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2344058)
Opinions?

I hate French Onion chip dip.

fridayfrs 08-03-2015 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2344058)
I'm thinking about trading in my 2 month old FRS for a new BRZ. Opinions?


It will cost you a decent chunk of change. I am assuming you bought new. I bet they sting you on trade. I'd try to sell it to a private party rather than trade.

soulreapersteve 08-03-2015 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2344061)
I hate French Onion chip dip.

Is it really French?

Are French Fries really French?

Those two are the most important questions that face humanity today.

soulreapersteve 08-03-2015 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fridayfrs (Post 2344066)
It will cost you a decent chunk of change. I am assuming you bought new. I bet they sting you on trade. I'd try to sell it to a private party rather than trade.

Oh I already know that. I just wanted to get some validation from a bunch of strangers first. I'm not really trading in my car.

Tcoat 08-03-2015 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fridayfrs (Post 2344066)
It will cost you a decent chunk of change. I am assuming you bought new. I bet they sting you on trade. I'd try to sell it to a private party rather than trade.

I have a lightly used sarcasm detector I will sell ya cheap. Fully calibrated specifically for car forums.

Ultramaroon 08-03-2015 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2344076)
I have a lightly used sarcasm detector I will sell ya cheap. Fully calibrated specifically for car forums.

Steve was gonna get it but you posted before me.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-61442...ed-wt-gwdS.gif

mixedjuice 08-06-2015 07:14 PM

Buy a new one and be happy with it, no matter what the forums dealership says.
It's a great car for an awesome price for a 2015 model right now.

GreenMonster 08-06-2015 08:22 PM

I'm waiting for the next gen... so I can buy a used 1st gen cheaper :)

DAEMANO 08-06-2015 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neroman98 (Post 2343827)
There may be a similar thread to this already but I want to describe my exact situation to get accurate advice. I want a track car that I can drive every once in a while on streets, just as a fun car to take to canyons and track days while keeping my daily driver nice and healthy. I've decided on the BRZ for the weight and for the modification possibilities. But heres my dilemma: Buy a BRZ now or wait until the next gen? If I buy it now, I'm going to get a used BRZ and put the money i saved into a supercharger and some aero, but if I wait for the next gen, my budget will probably limit me from buying many mods. But then again, the next version will probably be faster and need less mods. Theres no real chance of me selling the car and buying the next gen once it comes out since i would lose so much money on the mods I'm putting into it. AHHH. What should i do guys?

If you're already thinking the current car is going to be too slow for your budget, then chances are you're buying the wrong car. No matter the gen.

With that being said. You can make the current car relatively "quick" with about $1000 (OFT, UEL, e85). To make it "fast" will cost anywhere from $4-$10k or years of driving school. You choose.

mav1178 08-06-2015 09:14 PM

Just remember Moore's Law. It applies to future generations of this car too.

Tcoat 08-06-2015 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2348994)
Just remember Moore's Law. It applies to future generations of this car too.

The HP is going to double every year?

RobertPaulson 08-06-2015 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajaxthebetter (Post 2343828)
Reworked intake for 5hp. Marginal things like this.

All assumptions, but collectively shared by many here.

i don't think this last assumption is shared by anyone. otherwise the aftermarket would have that intake generating 5hp :)

also, for the OP, if you want a dedicated track car, get an older miata. lots of cheap parts and they're easy to work on. if you want something faster, looking into an older m3.

donoman 08-07-2015 01:31 AM

The car, as-is, is a great track toy.

BUY USED.

Drive on track.

SELL USED.

Repeat.

Veloist 08-07-2015 05:21 AM

If you have good credit, I would say lease the car for 3 years because the lease rate is only 2% and the residual is like 49% for 2015 Limited. That means you'll have the option to buy your car for $14000 if the MSRP is 28000 after the lease.

Think of it this way, If you can lease the car at a selling price of $26000 (-2000 off MSRP) you can have the car for $380/month incl. tax. with like 800 down and that would include the first month's payment.

You can do all the irreversable mods it won't void the warranty nor will you get in trouble. The agreement is to return it unmodified anyways. Take it to the track too.

The beauty of leasing a 2nd car is that when a new car comes out you can terminate the lease early (still paying the remaining balance), or finish the term and get the new car you've been waiting for. You also have less commitment to paying back a huge loan.

MaximeT 08-07-2015 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2344067)
Is it really French?

Are French Fries really French?

Those two are the most important questions that face humanity today.

I found the other day that French fries are not French. They are from Belgium. "French" come from an old word that means cut in small pieces. (Don't remember if it's a word from UK/USA or Belgium)


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