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neroman98 07-30-2015 01:20 PM

300HP Jackson Supercharged BRZ
 
I'm trying to build a 300HP BRZ at a reasonable cost. I've decided that I want to supercharge it because the predictable power provided by a supercharger will make the car easier to control in canyons than a turbocharger. That being said, I've done a lot of research and have decided on the Jackson Racing Supercharger. If you can make an argument for Vortech being superior to Jackson, I would be happy to listen, but from what I've read, Jackson is overall better. Delicious Tuning in SoCal said they could tune a Jackson Racing Supercharged BRZ to 275 WHP. That's almost there. Any advise to get the extra 15 HP on 91? My OCD is pushing me to figure out how to make an even 300. Also if you recommend parts such as pullies to up the power, give me some recommended brands. Thanks guys :)
Also I'm pretty new to the aftermarket world seeing as the only aftermarket thing I've ever done or had done to my cars is I installed a permanent AUX cord into one of my cars... So a description of what some of the parts to increase my HP actually do would be much appreciated.

go_a_way1 07-30-2015 01:24 PM

Try getting ACE EL long tube headers, go catless and I can see you getting close. But then you have to go back to stock for your stupid SMOG laws in California

MisterSheep 07-30-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2340619)
Try getting ACE EL long tube headers, go catless and I can see you getting close. But then you have to go back to stock for your stupid SMOG laws in California

In california you dont have to smog a new car until it's 5 years old. With that being said if a CHP officer pulls you over for "loud exhaust" he can require you to get your car smogged. But with Jackson Racing supercharger you can get a CARB legal one with the sticker which will get you to pass smog when they open your hood. Going catless is the only thing to worry about and just keep your stock exhaust system handy for when the smog day comes.

Anyways, OP, I dont think with the supercharger you can get a 300whp flat with 91. Maybe with better gas and full catless exhaust. Tune will be your best bet. Maybe 93? or e85. Dont forget to upgrade your brakes when you go higher power!:D good luck with your quest to 300whp

go_a_way1 07-30-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2340654)
In california you dont have to smog a new car until it's 5 years old. With that being said if a CHP officer pulls you over for "loud exhaust" he can require you to get your car smogged. But with Jackson Racing supercharger you can get a CARB legal one with the sticker which will get you to pass smog when they open your hood. Going catless is the only thing to worry about and just keep your stock exhaust system handy for when the smog day comes.

Anyways, OP, I dont think with the supercharger you can get a 300whp flat with 91. Maybe with better gas and full catless exhaust. Tune will be your best bet. Maybe 93? or e85. Dont forget to upgrade your brakes when you go higher power!:D good luck with your quest to 300whp

Good to know! I come from a magic place where we have no SMOG laws I know nothing about those laws haha!

MisterSheep 07-30-2015 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2340656)
Good to know! I come from a magic place where we have no SMOG laws I know nothing about those laws haha!

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

neroman98 07-30-2015 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2340654)
In california you dont have to smog a new car until it's 5 years old. With that being said if a CHP officer pulls you over for "loud exhaust" he can require you to get your car smogged. But with Jackson Racing supercharger you can get a CARB legal one with the sticker which will get you to pass smog when they open your hood. Going catless is the only thing to worry about and just keep your stock exhaust system handy for when the smog day comes.

Anyways, OP, I dont think with the supercharger you can get a 300whp flat with 91. Maybe with better gas and full catless exhaust. Tune will be your best bet. Maybe 93? or e85. Dont forget to upgrade your brakes when you go higher power!:D good luck with your quest to 300whp

I don't think any of my local stations sell 93 and there's a station about 30-45 minutes away that sells e85 but I probably will only get that on special occasions haha. And are you saying that with the supercharger I will get a sticker that says its CARB legal and so they will think it is even though the exhaust isn't?

kch 07-30-2015 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by neroman98 (Post 2340612)
I'm trying to build a 300HP BRZ at a reasonable cost. I've decided that I want to supercharge it because the predictable power provided by a supercharger will make the car easier to control in canyons than a turbocharger. That being said, I've done a lot of research and have decided on the Jackson Racing Supercharger. If you can make an argument for Vortech being superior to Jackson, I would be happy to listen, but from what I've read, Jackson is overall better. Delicious Tuning in SoCal said they could tune a Jackson Racing Supercharged BRZ to 275 WHP. That's almost there. Any advise to get the extra 15 HP on 91? My OCD is pushing me to figure out how to make an even 300. Also if you recommend parts such as pullies to up the power, give me some recommended brands. Thanks guys :)
Also I'm pretty new to the aftermarket world seeing as the only aftermarket thing I've ever done or had done to my cars is I installed a permanent AUX cord into one of my cars... So a description of what some of the parts to increase my HP actually do would be much appreciated.

Probably not gonna happen on 91. It was a big deal when a guy here in the local club hit 300 on E85.

tahdizzle 07-30-2015 02:29 PM

Exhaust is a Sound modification. It doesn't tamper with any emission components.

MisterSheep 07-30-2015 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by neroman98 (Post 2340674)
I don't think any of my local stations sell 93 and there's a station about 30-45 minutes away that sells e85 but I probably will only get that on special occasions haha. And are you saying that with the supercharger I will get a sticker that says its CARB legal and so they will think it is even though the exhaust isn't?

I would look more into the Jackson Racing supercharger. There's a thread on here that tells everything about it. Theres 2 different models, the tune it yourself which comes only jackson racing supercharger the other one comes with ecutek and a off the shelf tune for stock parts, its also CARB legal. Once you tune it with ecutek and a tuner, add full catless exhaust and see where you're at after that. If you get smogged with full catless exhaust you wont pass emissions due to the fact you have no cats. But thats easily reversable with just putting on your old stock exhaust.

MisterSheep 07-30-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2340709)
Exhaust is a Sound modification. It doesn't tamper with any emission components.

Depends. Catback.. maybe, once you replace headers and cats then they will not pass you unless you have a CARB sticker. You'll fail visual. If you pass visual and then get a smog you can still fail due to the fact that you're aftermarket exhaust might be exhibiting too much emmissions.

f0rge 07-30-2015 03:12 PM

IMO i wouldn't push for "numbers". Numbers are only good for internet bragging and when you're sitting on the side of the road with a hole in the block you're going to wish you had gotten a nice conservative tune.

MisterSheep 07-30-2015 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by f0rge (Post 2340794)
IMO i wouldn't push for "numbers". Numbers are only good for internet bragging and when you're sitting on the side of the road with a hole in the block you're going to wish you had gotten a nice conservative tune.

^^^^^ :bow:

ryoma 07-30-2015 03:25 PM

keep in mind that you might make the numbers on a dyno, but after real-world use the power might go down due to heat soaking, engine temps, altitude, etc. and different dynos read differently. dyno numbers on the same dyno are for tuning mainly

also, if you modify anything in regards to the cat (even an aftermarket header w/ cat is illegal AFAIK) then you will fail visual. I haven't smogged a newer car yet, but I heard that they no longer dyno your car and instead use an OBD2 plug to raise the engine RPM's to test emissions and check for codes. if you get a more lenient station, they might pass you on the visual if you have modified your cats or removed them, but you will still fail the emissions unless you go through a backdoor. I think if you get a catted header or catted front pipe (or both) all you need is to find a more lenient station that will pass your visual. your emissions SHOULD be good enough to pass. I have no idea if anyone has tried it though. and of course get a tune to erase your cat efficiency CEL

btw, cat backs are legal. you just can't touch the cats

as for the CARB sticker, it has a specific ID number on it and once the tech types that into their database, it pulls up the smog exception. it will clearly state what the sticker covers. so if you have a full exhaust, the sticker won't mention it and just say it covers the supercharger. that's how I understand it with the way it was explained to me.

industrial 08-01-2015 08:35 AM

Why don't you go kraftwerks, upgrade to high boost pulleys and upgrade the fuel system?

Poodles 08-01-2015 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neroman98 (Post 2340612)
I'm trying to build a 300HP BRZ at a reasonable cost. I've decided that I want to supercharge it because the predictable power provided by a supercharger will make the car easier to control in canyons than a turbocharger. That being said, I've done a lot of research and have decided on the Jackson Racing Supercharger. If you can make an argument for Vortech being superior to Jackson, I would be happy to listen, but from what I've read, Jackson is overall better. Delicious Tuning in SoCal said they could tune a Jackson Racing Supercharged BRZ to 275 WHP. That's almost there. Any advise to get the extra 15 HP on 91? My OCD is pushing me to figure out how to make an even 300. Also if you recommend parts such as pullies to up the power, give me some recommended brands. Thanks guys :)
Also I'm pretty new to the aftermarket world seeing as the only aftermarket thing I've ever done or had done to my cars is I installed a permanent AUX cord into one of my cars... So a description of what some of the parts to increase my HP actually do would be much appreciated.


Keep in mind that's WHP and our cars are rated at 200HP at the crank. Good luck even getting that on that piss water 91 you guys have out there.


There's more power to be had in as header and a retune, but then you're not CARB legal anymore.

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Originally Posted by tahdizzle (Post 2340709)
Exhaust is a Sound modification. It doesn't tamper with any emission components.


Depends if the officer has a Db gauge or he just sends you off for the inspection. There's a good reason people make sleepers in Kali...

Quote:

Originally Posted by industrial (Post 2342802)
Why don't you go kraftwerks, upgrade to high boost pulleys and upgrade the fuel system?



Because he wants reliable boost and doesn't want to carry a ton of hard to find belts?


Not to mention kraftwerks isn't CARB legal at all, so he'd have to rip the entire thing off the car every time he got smogged. :bellyroll:

Andrew025 08-01-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2343028)





Because he wants reliable boost and doesn't want to carry a ton of hard to find belts?


Not to mention kraftwerks isn't CARB legal at all, so he'd have to rip the entire thing off the car every time he got smogged. :bellyroll:

No comment on the first part...
But they are carb legal now.

Tcoat 08-03-2015 12:09 AM

Try this:
1) Actualy get a BRZ
2) Drive it
3) Then decide what you want to do

Trying to figure out what to do before you even have the car is just ludicrous.
How do you know how much more power you want? The internet told you?

Kuri 08-03-2015 05:22 PM

325whp with JRSC is possible on E85 :)

Turbowned 08-03-2015 07:28 PM

I'm not sure what your tastes are for cars, but based on the fact that you have limited experience modifying cars, it wouldn't hurt to consider other cars that you could buy for the same cost of the car plus mods. I drove a Vortech S/C'd car while I was halfway into my own install. It was nice but it still felt like a tuned car, if that makes sense. After I added up all the receipts for what I did to my own car and calculated what I still wanted to do, I got cold feet, sold everything and bought a used Porsche. Within two weeks my friend who also had a supercharged BRZ parted his out and did the same thing, in an odd coincidence.

Now not everyone is gonna do the same thing; some people get more enjoyment out of buying a car and making it their own and I totally respect that. Just consider what else is out there for similar money. An early Porsche Cayman S has 295hp with chassis tuning and brakes to match, and will set you back $30-35k for a good one with low miles. Supercharging an S2000 will cost less and make more power. There are plenty of Corvettes out there with 350-400hp stock. Just give it some thought, if you haven't already.

I suggest you find someone local with a tuned BRZ/FR-S and see if they'll be kind enough to let you drive it or at least take a ride in it. Then try a few other things in the same cost bracket and go from there. Not saying a supercharged BRZ isn't a good idea; it's an awesome idea! Modifying them can be a slippery slope though, so just be careful ;)


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