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Drift-Office 07-23-2015 01:59 AM

Drift-Office : Gruppe-S UEL Installed & Tuned!
 
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Preface : “Which is the Tomei UEL and which is the Gruppe-S UEL header?” That's the only question on everyone's mind. The answer : DOES IT MATTER?! (For the answer, please read onwards...)

Some months back while we were on the topic of the ACE headers with our counterparts in Taiwan, I was asked if we would be interested in doing remote tunes (non E-Tunes) on UEL headers that were specifically, of a certain sort. As they started to describe these headers with their 4-1 collector design, honed runners and surfaced flanges, I had the suspicion that they were actually describing the TOMEI setup that we've been pumping out as of late. A quick picture also confirmed that it was indeed a UEL offering, very close in design with the above-mentioned. That said, there was really very little in the way of discernible differences that we saw, sans the “Tomei” stamp on the flange surface as well as the tacked on name plate that we were accustomed to seeing.

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As you can see from the pictures, the quality of construction is top notch. Note that these aren't KNOCK-OFFs as some have described them to be. They're “white boxed” versions of the TOMEI offering. They are in fact, manufactured from the very same machinery used to make the TOMEI headers - there's no variation in material quality, construction but there's a ever so SLIGHT change in design (runner angles) to elude from infringing on IP or exclusivity I suppose. All this comes with a reduction in cost while still being able to attain in this case, the best out of the box results thus far!

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As far as installation goes, there's really nothing to talk about. It was fitted without a sweat, process was as expected and flawless.

Enter Gruppe-S : the company isn't new, but I certainly remember them from when we first started our run @ Formula D in 2007. They had reached out to see what our thoughts were and I had told them that we've already since tuned some of them overseas with stella results. I was confident that we could do the same here especially with our 92 Octane gas. Within a few short weeks, I had purchased one for evaluation and here are the results...

Vehicle : 6MT 2015 BRZ
Fuel : 92 Octane Gas
Mods : AVO Dry Panel Filter, Gruppe-S UEL, TRD Exhaust

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Given the filter and the exhaust, I wasn't surprised to see the slightly higher baseline number @ 173, but I will certainly say it's the 2nd highest I've ever seen so far in the 150+ twins that we've dyno tuned thus far. They're typically @ 167, and with the UEL header installed, there's a decent gain but unless you have a custom calibration, you won't otherwise be able to optimize the combination of hardware to it's fullest potential.

Which brings us to our results...

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So when you ask which of these two is that of the Gruppe-S, the answer is Run #12. For all intents and purposes as you can see, there’s really zero difference in overall performance after the custom calibration is complete. The other dyno run is that of a Tomei UEL on 2014 86, also with an AVO filter as well as a stock exhaust. Both tunes were conducted within 3 days of each other in the heat wave that we've just experienced. Dyno cell ambient temperatures were both well into the high 80s when we started the tuning process.

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In comparison, I've elected to post up the 6AT 92 Octane results of the Gruppe-S UEL as well, also with an AVO dry panel filter and with a stock exhaust. (I've since done an AT and another MT.) Results are pretty much in line with what we'd expect from a properly tuned setup. So is the Gruppe-S UEL better than the Tomei UEL? Hardly, and that's to be expected. But is it just as good? Every bit so.

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Drift-Office 07-23-2015 02:06 AM

Sorry for the delay, first video was accidentally deleted. Here's a 6AT with a CORSA exhaust, 6MT to follow soon!

https://youtu.be/fQ2NO-Z1ai8

Cheers!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

DAEMANO 07-23-2015 02:21 AM

Great job as ever Bob.

AJ124 07-23-2015 09:05 AM

Thank you for sharing these, did you see any cel without the tune?

P@ul 07-23-2015 12:14 PM

Tomei must be thrilled, LoL! This is way worse than the Megan / Cusco strut tower bar...

scioneric 07-23-2015 12:45 PM

Thanks for your header Bob! Can't wait to see my tune next month.....

DoomsdayJesus 07-23-2015 03:12 PM

Just out of curiosity, does this have the same changes that were on the Tomei UEL that I got? I remember you saying it was different from previous installs.

Edit: Nope, just compared the photos. The runners are definitely straighter on this one. That may explain the minor difference.

mikool 07-23-2015 03:37 PM

This just insured that I will be getting one in a couple weeks.

D_Thissen 07-23-2015 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikool (Post 2332475)
This just insured that I will be getting one in a couple weeks.

I'm sold as well. I just wish our dollar wasn't craptacular right now lol

scioneric 07-23-2015 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_Thissen (Post 2332525)
I'm sold as well. I just wish our dollar wasn't craptacular right now lol

Our dollar may get lower this year :cry:

icybrzzz 07-28-2015 05:54 PM

Very interested to see videos of this header in action!

DAEMANO 07-28-2015 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P@ul (Post 2332090)
Tomei must be thrilled, LoL! This is way worse than the Megan / Cusco strut tower bar...

As Bob @Drift Office noted, "White Box (label)" is not the same as knock-off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drift Office
Note that these aren't KNOCK-OFFs as some have described them to be. They're “white boxed” versions of the TOMEI offering. They are in fact, manufactured from the very same machinery used to make the TOMEI headers - there's no variation in material quality, construction but there's a ever so SLIGHT change in design (runner angles) to elude from infringing on IP or exclusivity I suppose. All this comes with a reduction in cost while still being able to attain in this case, the best out of the box results thus far!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-label_product

soundman414 07-28-2015 10:25 PM

I apologize in advance for being a noob. But why is there such a dramatic difference between the MT and AT in the final dyno chart? Is the AT really that poor at transferring power to the wheels?

Drift-Office 07-29-2015 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icybrzzz (Post 2338352)
Very interested to see videos of this header in action!

Oh hell. Totally forgot to upload that! Check back in 24 hours!

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundman414 (Post 2338649)
I apologize in advance for being a noob. But why is there such a dramatic difference between the MT and AT in the final dyno chart? Is the AT really that poor at transferring power to the wheels?

Basic drivetrain loss. Gear ratios are different, hence different results. It is not specific to the FRS, or GT86. It's commonplace in all MT vs AT variants.

Regards,

Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

ichitaka05 07-29-2015 06:50 PM

Thanks for the detail info, Bob!

Amazing dyno with just simple mod (filter & header).

Alex86em1 07-30-2015 04:21 PM

Awesome to finally see some dunk charts I bought this header with a buddy of mine and have been running it with Trd drop in filter with custom axleback on OFT stage 2 love every minute of it

Drift-Office 08-22-2015 02:40 AM

Updated with 1 of 2 Vids!


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC

Yoda 08-22-2015 02:51 PM

Where are the vids? Did I miss it

raven1231 08-22-2015 03:20 PM

DEM GAINZ!

raven1231 08-22-2015 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 2366182)
Where are the vids? Did I miss it

2nd post

ort895 09-03-2015 02:49 PM

For people that have gotten these on the auto, whats your opinion?
worth it?

RWDfun 10-26-2015 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ort895 (Post 2379190)
For people that have gotten these on the auto, whats your opinion?
worth it?

+1
Also interested with numbers on the OFT Stage 2.

Wayno 10-26-2015 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ort895 (Post 2379190)
For people that have gotten these on the auto, whats your opinion?
worth it?

The only headers I would consider for AT are these or ACE 250 or 350.
Obviously choice depends on budget.
I have these, though with different branding.

Because the AT gears are so long compared to the MT, it's more important to have the widest power band possible, than it is to have peak.

ort895 10-26-2015 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayno (Post 2432701)
The only headers I would consider for AT are these or ACE 250 or 350.
Obviously choice depends on budget.
I have these, though with different branding.

Because the AT gears are so long compared to the MT, it's more important to have the widest power band possible, than it is to have peak.

yeah i feel you, i do plan on changing my final drive at some point though

icybrzzz 10-27-2015 05:51 PM

Has anyone else made similar numbers to the OP with this header?

jawn 10-27-2015 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icybrzzz (Post 2433661)
Has anyone else made similar numbers to the OP with this header?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=126

Yes.

icybrzzz 10-27-2015 07:27 PM

Well I'm sold. Adding this to my growing list of mods... lol

jawn 10-27-2015 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icybrzzz (Post 2433759)
Well I'm sold. Adding this to my growing list of mods... lol

YASSSSS. They're really nice.

6spd 11-14-2015 07:18 PM

I just got this setup, with ECUtek tune is amazing, my car sounds so much better, completely got rid off the torque dip! I can't be happier! Thanks Bob and Bill!!

tinma 11-30-2015 08:43 AM

any updated video clip of 6MT with corsa exhaust + gruppe-s header?

ort895 01-29-2016 08:19 AM

The torque dips on the auto looks so....bad on a graph. Holy crap.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 02-01-2016 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ort895 (Post 2527056)
The torque dips on the auto looks so....bad on a graph. Holy crap.

Yea it's not very noticeable for me though, a final drive upgrade would totally transform the AT

ort895 02-02-2016 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2530958)
Yea it's not very noticeable for me though, a final drive upgrade would totally transform the AT

I can sure as hell feel it. These with some e85 should do the trick:burnrubber:


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