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sledheadguy 07-17-2015 08:56 AM

whats with the paint?
 
love this car...bought it in feb of this year. but fuck me i have never had a vehicle chip and scratch like this one? its like everytime I wash it i see more scratches. And I have had alot of vehicles. the vehicle paint sucks bigtime on this car

Tcoat 07-17-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sledheadguy (Post 2324423)
love this car...bought it in feb of this year. but fuck me i have never had a vehicle chip and scratch like this one? its like everytime I wash it i see more scratches. And I have had alot of vehicles. the vehicle paint sucks bigtime on this car

The more the world governments crack down on VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) the weaker the paint on new cars is going to get. Comparing this paint to cars that are as little as 3 years old is not apples to apples since there was a world wide major reduction of VOCs required back in 2012. Might as well get used to it.
Or, get one of these:

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/1981-1982-delorean-dmc12.jpg

dnieves 07-17-2015 09:38 AM

All cars are like this because the EPA mandated manufacturers use water based paint (better for the environment but does nothing for the durability). You're better off getting your paint color corrected, opti coat applied, then put on as protective paint film as you can afford (full hood/front bumper/roof).


Or


Spend even more money on having your car repainted.

Basket Case 07-17-2015 09:47 AM

Yeah, the paint is bullshit now...(thanks big government...). My old mustang with 200,000 miles on the odometer that got beat on constantly held up much better after years of abuse then my only new car purchase ever... Not pleased with the paint either.

dnieves 07-17-2015 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324451)
The more the world governments crack down on VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) the weaker the paint on new cars is going to get. Comparing this paint to cars that are as little as 3 years old is not apples to apples since there was a world wide major reduction of VOCs required back in 2012. Might as well get used to it.
Or, get one of these:

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/1981-1982-delorean-dmc12.jpg



Those are cool except:
Interior is decrepit
Front is too high (good for safety but not for looks)
No power -especially for a V6 (you could push a FR-S uphill faster)
Always clean the stainless along the grain!
Not reliable/cheap to own
Plastic front end gets droopy

Tcoat 07-17-2015 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dnieves (Post 2324458)
Those are cool except:
Interior is decrepit
Front is too high (good for safety but not for looks)
No power -especially for a V6 (you could push a FR-S uphill faster)
Always clean the stainless along the grain!
Not reliable/cheap to own
Plastic front end gets droopy

Ya overall they are crap but no real paint to worry about.

Tcoat 07-17-2015 09:54 AM

This is always an option as well:

http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/st...cars/coupe.jpg

TheVoiceOfReason 07-17-2015 10:01 AM

First Mod I bought for this car.


http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/images...-vrg3401-a.jpg

stevesnj 07-17-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVoiceOfReason (Post 2324473)



I did the same thing, I took off the white plastics, double bucket wash, polish, then wax with a Harbor Freight orbital polisher though.. Also it's not the paint that's weak it's the clear coat. The clear coat needs to be reformulated or something. Maybe it has been for 2016 but I don't want to test that theory :P

gtslow 07-17-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324465)

Can't go with that look entirely since our hood is aluminum.

JazzleSAURUS 07-17-2015 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by gtslow (Post 2324561)
Can't go with that look entirely since our hood is aluminum.

Anodize it! :D

KidRed 07-17-2015 12:13 PM

This is only a problem with cars made in some countries, like America. My past cars were made-in-Germany Audi and BMW never had paint issues and the paint is very thick.

I lightly dragged a cardboard box across my FR-S bumper recently. I expected some scratches, sure, but I got a penny size piece of paint missing instead :(

soulreapersteve 07-17-2015 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324465)


JDM as fuck!

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2324545)
I did the same thing, I took off the white plastics, double bucket wash, polish, then wax with a Harbor Freight orbital polisher though.. Also it's not the paint that's weak it's the clear coat. The clear coat needs to be reformulated or something. Maybe it has been for 2016 but I don't want to test that theory :P

How's the harbor freight orbital? There's one that's a 10 minute drive from my house and I want to work on fixing the clear coat that I scratched.

Tcoat 07-17-2015 12:28 PM

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This is only a problem with cars made in some countries, like America. My past cars were made-in-Germany Audi and BMW never had paint issues and the paint is very thick.

I lightly dragged a cardboard box across my FR-S bumper recently. I expected some scratches, sure, but I got a penny size piece of paint missing instead :(

Key words there are "in the past". Europe is spearheading the reduction of compounds and are outright banning many of the components that make paint stronger. This means that new cars there will have the same problems. This is a world wide program and is not restricted to the US and Japan. The biggest issue is that new paint technology is not progressing as fast as the regulations restricting what can be used are being put in place.

There is also a glaring discrepancy in what some of us are seeing for paint damage. I have many small impact dents where the paint is perfectly intact and the chips I do have were high enough velocity hits the paint on a tank would have chipped. Hell, I have a 3 inch long divot in my bumper where I was hit by debris and the paint is still perfect (see pic) but there are others that state they just wiped it and paint came off. Maybe different batches or colours are more susceptible to damage.

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Tromatic 07-17-2015 01:30 PM

A vinyl wrap is looking more attractive.

Tcoat 07-17-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 2324731)
A vinyl wrap is looking more attractive.

Actually I would not be at all surprised to see some manufacturers actually go that route some day. The tech for wraps is improving every year.

Dadhawk 07-17-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dnieves (Post 2324458)
Those are cool except:
Interior is decrepit
Front is too high (good for safety but not for looks)
No power -especially for a V6 (you could push a FR-S uphill faster)
Always clean the stainless along the grain!
Not reliable/cheap to own
Plastic front end gets droopy


All those are fixed or overcome by one mod...
https://mrthekidd.files.wordpress.co...1/delorean.jpg

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 01:45 PM

I would like to wrap, but there isn't a place near me that does vinyl wraps just yet :(

Tcoat 07-17-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmorris8848 (Post 2324747)
I would like to wrap, but there isn't a place near me that does vinyl wraps just yet :(

Dude. Looking at the map I would guess there are places near you that don't have indoor plumbing yet!

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324760)
Dude. Looking at the map I would guess there are places near you that don't have indoor plumbing yet!

Yeah... It's sad when the highest Internet speed we can purchase at my house is only 12Mbps down and 512Kbps up.

gtslow 07-17-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324760)
Dude. Looking at the map I would guess there are places near you that don't have indoor plumbing yet!

I need to buy you a beer when I am in Mississauga for work.

Dadhawk 07-17-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324760)
Dude. Looking at the map I would guess there are places near you that don't have indoor plumbing yet!

Hey, there you go being a Southernist!

Tcoat 07-17-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gtslow (Post 2324765)
I need to buy you a beer when I am in Mississauga for work.

I am 2 1/2 hours away from there. Now if you head south at any point...

Tcoat 07-17-2015 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2324766)
Hey, there you go being a Southernist!

Keep in mind that for a Canadian I am the southerner!

http://oldermommystillyummy.com/wp-c...ntario_map.jpg

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324774)
Keep in mind that for a Canadian I am the southerner!

http://oldermommystillyummy.com/wp-c...ntario_map.jpg

But isn't Canada the opposite of the US, where the rednecks are in the North for Canada but in the South for the US?

Tcoat 07-17-2015 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmorris8848 (Post 2324784)
But isn't Canada the opposite of the US, where the rednecks are in the North for Canada but in the South for the US?

Nah. We spread them out evenly throughout the country.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1393642/th...RTA-570.jpg?21

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324789)
Nah. We spread them out evenly throughout the country.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1393642/th...RTA-570.jpg?21

Ahhhh, ours are somewhat spread out, but we have large concentrations in the South lol

strat61caster 07-17-2015 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmorris8848 (Post 2324764)
Yeah... It's sad when the highest Internet speed we can purchase at my house is only 12Mbps down and 512Kbps up.

I was only getting ~22 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up until about two years ago, I live within walking distance (~30 minutes) to Google headquarters, can cycle to Apples within an hour. Now I'm up to 45/5 Mbps...

Oh and I'll gladly go without home internet over paying Comcast a cent.

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2324813)
I was only getting ~22 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up until about two years ago, I live within walking distance (~30 minutes) to Google headquarters, can cycle to Apples within an hour. Now I'm up to 45/5 Mbps...

Oh and I'll gladly go without home internet over paying Comcast a cent.

Comcast doesn't even offer service in my area. All we can get is Planttel

strat61caster 07-17-2015 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmorris8848 (Post 2324816)
Comcast doesn't even offer service in my area. All we can get is Planttel

I suppose that's better than Hughes where you'll pay more for the same speed with a terrible datacap?

Not saying that rural areas aren't significantly hindered, just saying it ain't paradise in most metropolitan areas, even the supposedly high tech 'cutting edge' ones.

And you can probably afford to buy a house, so you've got that going for you.

Edit: Actually a 4G cellular dataplan might even be better... I know my phone can pull 20Mbps.

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2324821)
I suppose that's better than Hughes where you'll pay more for the same speed with a terrible datacap?

Not saying that rural areas aren't significantly hindered, just saying it ain't paradise in most metropolitan areas, even the supposedly high tech 'cutting edge' ones.

And you can probably afford to buy a house, so you've got that going for you.

Edit: Actually a 4G cellular dataplan might even be better... I know my phone can pull 20Mbps.

I had a friend at school that had Hughes Net back at his house in SW GA and he hated it. The data cap was horrible, but I'm gonna rent an apartment in one of the larger cities near me. I don't plan on staying in one place too long, so renting is the way to go for now. Hopefully they'll offer something better than in the area

campy 07-17-2015 02:50 PM

The paint on these cars is just thin. You can get it coated in paint protection or get a front film bra, but I personally just don't worry about it. In terms of resale value, people won't be willing to pay significantly more for better paint condition, and a few tiny paint chips don't bother me personally.



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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324774)
Keep in mind that for a Canadian I am the southerner!

Is this what life is like there?

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE"]Letterkenny Problems: "Hockey Players" - YouTube[/ame]

strat61caster 07-17-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmorris8848 (Post 2324825)
Hopefully they'll offer something better than in the area

The government maps all ISP's by neighborhood, you don't have to guess.

http://www.broadbandmap.gov/

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2324837)
The government maps all ISP's by neighborhood, you don't have to guess.

http://www.broadbandmap.gov/

Well, I don't know which complex I'm wanting or even a house to rent, and I haven't done much research yet. I'm going to look into it further this weekend. Thanks for the link!

Tcoat 07-17-2015 03:48 PM

Wow! The greatest unintentional thread derailment yet!

Cmorris8848 07-17-2015 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324926)
Wow! The greatest unintentional thread derailment yet!

Yeah... The paint does suck though, at least on my front bumper. The paint on a metal surface hasn't really chipped for me. Maybe the paint just can't adhere to whatever the material the front bumper is as well as it does to metal.

zc06_kisstherain 07-17-2015 06:47 PM

yeah paint is very thin. i also have many chips. gonna get it repainted after 10 years..
yeah...if i still have it. lol

Tromatic 07-17-2015 06:57 PM

Surely you must have some dubmasses up there who consider the Canadian flag a symbol of racism, bigotry and homophobia.

JEDI 07-17-2015 07:19 PM

I would go with paint protection film as said earlier. If you want to reduce scratches and chips on the front end and you're going to stick with original color on your car. I've a Always hesitated on this when purchasing a new vehicle and then regret it. My 15 WRX had crap paint as well. My RS has protection on hood and fenders , go figure nothing on front bumper. I am glad what is there is better than nothing at all.

Tromatic 07-17-2015 07:50 PM

Holding up fairly well here, nothing beyond what I would consider "normal" for a vehicle that takes hits from airborne junk moving at 60 mph or more.


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