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Keoki 07-17-2015 08:12 AM

Two years, 70k miles
 
Love the car like it was new. Exceeds my expectations. DD, 30-33 mpg (auto), just replaced original tires, will do breaks probably at next service. Fuel pump fail was only issue. Love the balance of power and handling. Did not buy it to drag race. Mid range torque sag is what it is. I work around it. I have my collection of twisties for driving entertainment. Cheers.

Basket Case 07-17-2015 08:24 AM

Damn...And I thoug I rive a lot. I'm only at 56,xxx in two years. Well done.

raven1231 07-17-2015 08:33 AM

I'm at 12,000 in a year in a half...lol

JonAvalon 07-17-2015 08:59 AM

Damn, I just hit 40K just a little after the 2 year mark. Cheers man!

I love mine though even though I keep lurking for other cars with boost. But every time I add something simple to the car, it feels like a new one. I put on new tires and a header recently and it's just been a blast to drive. I take the back road with windy areas everyday and it never gets old. The only thing is the engine has developed a slow oil leak, so she might have to be worked on soon :(

Tcoat 07-17-2015 09:10 AM

Amateurs.
At 35K and just about at a year. Still about 20% below my norm since my furthest plant has been down most of the year.

NWFRS 07-17-2015 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324438)
Still about 20% below my norm since my furthest plant has been down most of the year.

Now we know where you work.

http://i.imgur.com/WjijMi1.jpg

Tcoat 07-17-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2324466)
Now we know where you work.

Nope.

http://www.juratek.com/UserFiles/Ima...g-Page-ENG.gif
Neither of my plants but can't show pics of them so internet to the rescue.

BlackJesus 07-17-2015 10:56 AM

30kish in 7 month.
Pros:
Great mpg
Fun on curvy back roads
Comfy seats
Great color choices
Lots of potential

Cons:
Little torque
Meh interior
Crickets
Quiet crickets
Loud crickets
Oh did I mention crickets?
Crickets

BRZnut 07-17-2015 08:53 PM

nice to see some cars with good amount of miles that didn't self-destruct!

Datcrazyeric 07-17-2015 09:03 PM

And here I am thinking I have too many miles at 28,XXX after two years

sirsol66 07-17-2015 09:12 PM

Out of curiosity, anyone running a tune with higher mileage? Seeing quite a few cars spinning bearings and other engine damage with mild bolt ones and a tune.

Packofcrows 07-17-2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Keoki (Post 2324405)
Love the car like it was new. Exceeds my expectations. DD, 30-33 mpg (auto), just replaced original tires, will do breaks probably at next service. Fuel pump fail was only issue. Love the balance of power and handling. Did not buy it to drag race. Mid range torque sag is what it is. I work around it. I have my collection of twisties for driving entertainment. Cheers.

what mph do you mostly cruise in? Doing 60mph on my manual for 200 or so milkes i get 36-38 and sometimes higher. 68-70mph is my main speed so I range less @ around 28-32.

humfrz 07-17-2015 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2324501)
Nope.

Now ..... THAT'S a relief !....... :confused0068:


humfrz

Tcoat 07-17-2015 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2325287)
Now ..... THAT'S a relief !....... :confused0068:


humfrz

I am a safety guy though so that much was accurate.

Tcoat 07-17-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BRZnut (Post 2325260)
nice to see some cars with good amount of miles that didn't self-destruct!

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Originally Posted by sirsol66 (Post 2325271)
Out of curiosity, anyone running a tune with higher mileage? Seeing quite a few cars spinning bearings and other engine damage with mild bolt ones and a tune.

Oh for crying out loud the number that have had serious issues is minuscule compared to the number out there. Drive the damn thing and stop worrying it is gonna blow up at any second. If that paranoid then trade it for something you think will last forever.

sirsol66 07-17-2015 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2325310)
Oh for crying out loud the number that have had serious issues is minuscule compared to the number out there. Drive the damn thing and stop worrying it is gonna blow up at any second. If that paranoid then trade it for something you think will last forever.

Good to see some higher mileage cars.

Tcoat 07-17-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sirsol66 (Post 2325328)
I work for the company and can tell you that the number of cars with this issue is not as insignificant as you make it out to be. People only see the complaints on forums/FB/etc. but I see all national warranty claims.

Either way, as I said, good to see some higher mileage cars.

Well how many then? And what "issue"?

Please don't read as angry I am truly asking not calling out.

sirsol66 07-17-2015 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2325332)
Well how many then? And what "issue"?

Please don't read as angry I am truly asking not calling out.

These cars are pretty new still and their warranty trends aren't fully developed so we'll see how the cars are doing 3-5 years from now as the average one crests 50K miles.

REAV3R 07-17-2015 10:19 PM

LOL Hmmm... It'll be 2 years owned this September... and I'm at less than 14000 miles. Though, in my defense, there was a nine-month Afghanistan deployment in there!

whataboutbob 07-17-2015 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sirsol66 (Post 2325271)
Out of curiosity, anyone running a tune with higher mileage? Seeing quite a few cars spinning bearings and other engine damage with mild bolt ones and a tune.

Innovate Motorsports SC'd, Delicious Tuned since 34.4K.

Tromatic 07-17-2015 10:31 PM

Details on "fuel pump fail", please.

Tcoat 07-17-2015 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sirsol66 (Post 2325338)
That's not a number that I can share, and it's certainly not up to the claims/100 that I would consider "high", but I will say that I have seen more FR-S (I don't see BRZ or overseas models, so no GT86's) that have spun bearing than other models. I'm not sure how many of those are due to abuse (tracking with high oil temp), poor maintenance (running on low oil), or build quality.

These cars are pretty new still and their warranty trends aren't fully developed so we'll see how the cars are doing 3-5 years from now as the average one crests 50K miles.

Well I will be able to report a 50k number by the end of September.
I have done a pile of research on the spun bearings and although I certainly do not have the data you have available I have seen a trend with the stock engines. I eliminated boosted and tuned failures right from the start as they introduced way too much of a variable. On phone so don't have the data in front of me but of the 280 or so cases I could find most were 2013s, most were under 20k miles (some substantuly) and the vast majority had been owner serviced.
I realize that there could be loads I couldn't find out about but this was enough for me to not worry about it.

humfrz 07-17-2015 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2325310)
Oh for crying out loud the number that have had serious issues is minuscule compared to the number out there. Drive the damn thing and stop worrying it is gonna blow up at any second. If that paranoid then trade it for something you think will last forever.

I agree.

I figure that my chances of getting hit by an impaired driver, is greater than the chances of my FR-S's engine giving out.

…..and I won’t allow myself to worry about every dang car coming towards me on the highway ...... :popcorn:


humfrz

Tromatic 07-17-2015 11:51 PM

I thought the bearing issue cause was oil starvation due to prolonged high lateral forces (aka racing). An oil pan baffle was the fix IIRC.

Tcoat 07-18-2015 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 2325420)
I thought the bearing issue cause was oil starvation due to prolonged high lateral forces (aka racing). An oil pan baffle was the fix IIRC.

That is one of the theories. Of course almost every owner of a stock one that went said they never drove the car hard.

Tromatic 07-18-2015 01:26 AM

How did the fuel pump fail?

Negative1 07-18-2015 01:44 AM

I'm at 11.000 in a year.

zman 07-18-2015 01:48 AM

Im at 4k for 7 months


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Tcoat 07-18-2015 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Keoki (Post 2324405)
Love the car like it was new. Exceeds my expectations. DD, 30-33 mpg (auto), just replaced original tires, will do breaks probably at next service. Fuel pump fail was only issue. Love the balance of power and handling. Did not buy it to drag race. Mid range torque sag is what it is. I work around it. I have my collection of twisties for driving entertainment. Cheers.

By "fuel pump fail" do you mean crickets or did it stop pumping fuel?

Ultramaroon 07-18-2015 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic (Post 2325487)
How did the fuel pump fail?

Hope that doesn't remain a secret.

Tt3Sheppard 07-18-2015 11:10 AM

Good to see higher mileage posts here, I think a lot of folks are expecting poor reliability.

Tromatic 07-18-2015 12:43 PM

So, OP. Some of us wish to know more about the pump failure. Got any details you would like to share? Do we need to sub to a newsletter or something?

Keoki 07-18-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2325519)
By "fuel pump fail" do you mean crickets or did it stop pumping fuel?

I have never experienced crickets. If you search my user name you will find my previous thread about the HPFP. I suspect someone left a bolt loose at some time but I know nothing.

Tcoat 07-18-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Keoki (Post 2325752)
I have never experienced crickets. If you search my user name you will find my previous thread about the HPFP. I suspect someone left a bolt loose at some time but I know nothing.

Ok cool. So probably a one off manufacturing defect. We were all curious because actual failures of the pumps are not normal. If it had been a cricket related issue that made it fail there would have been rioting in the streets.

Keoki 07-18-2015 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2325274)
what mph do you mostly cruise in? Doing 60mph on my manual for 200 or so milkes i get 36-38 and sometimes higher. 68-70mph is my main speed so I range less @ around 28-32.

My local driving includes 75-85 on by pass toll roads, 65-70 on other limited access tolls, 60-62 on multi lane roads with 55 speed limit plus some rural two lanes, and in town stop and go traffic. I find the auto is much smarter than the human in obtaining good mileage. When I go manual my mileage drops. When I drive for performance my mileage goes way down as you would expect. I once did a 100 mi test trying to maximize fuel mileage and averaged 37. Max speed was 65. I went from manual to auto because my doctor recommended it to postponement new knee problems. Was not happy with the thought but all that has changed. These transmissions do a lot of things very well.

sweetfrs 07-18-2015 01:30 PM

dang I was sweating at 30k in 2 yrs, IM DOING GREAT!!!! HAHA

Kotu100 07-18-2015 01:36 PM

14 months and i'm at 21k
That includes a trip to Texas a couple months ago which was 5800 miles in 10 days.

Th3rdSun 07-18-2015 01:48 PM

I actually bought my '13 with just a hair over 20k on it. I think since I bought it about a month and a half ago,I probably put only 1200 mile on it.

Ultramaroon 07-18-2015 03:57 PM

The only time I ever talk smack about the auto is to stir the pot. They're better at everything including handling boosted powerplants.

Rampage 07-18-2015 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sirsol66 (Post 2325271)
Out of curiosity, anyone running a tune with higher mileage? Seeing quite a few cars spinning bearings and other engine damage with mild bolt ones and a tune.

You have to take into consideration the fact that the ones doing tunes and bolt ons are also most likely be the ones who are tracking, drag racing, autoxing and driving aggressively on the street. Bearins spinning are normally the result of low oil pressure. Low oil pressure can be from low oil levels or high Gs pulling the oil away from the pick-up or pooling in the heads. There has also been the argument as to whether changing out crank pulleys will have a long term affect on engine reliability.

I am also appalled by the mechanical ineptitude of many forum members who are having their cars modded when they do not even have the basic knowledge to maintain a stock car let alone one with mods.

Of course, none of these mods or owners are ever responsible for the engine damage that may result. That is solely the responsibility of the manufacturer due to some inherent fault of the design. I love reading the "Issues" threads where the car breaks and the owner is advised to remove the mods and take it to the dealer for warranty work with an innocent look on his face.

Considering the target market of this car, I think it has an exemplary reliability record.


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