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Papi 07-13-2015 02:28 PM

BRZ OEM rant
 
New owner here, a few things I wished my 2015 Limited came with stock. I wish I didn't have to figure out how to add it to my car.
1 Rear fog light stalk and rear light
2 Exhaust tips that extend beyond the rear fascia
3 Back up camera
4 Side marker lights that act as a blinker
:confused0068::iono:

chaoskaze 07-13-2015 02:30 PM

Mostly avaliable if you don't live in US xD..........bummer

Congratz on the purchase!

TheVoiceOfReason 07-13-2015 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 2319439)
2 Exhaust tips that extend beyond the rear fascia

I believe by law OEM's cannot do this in the US.

Choco 07-13-2015 03:33 PM

At least you're able to add all those things to the car.

swarb 07-13-2015 03:34 PM

All that can be done with some wiring, time, and about $100 bucks.

Tcoat 07-13-2015 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 2319439)
New owner here, a few things I wished my 2015 Limited came with stock. I wish I didn't have to figure out how to add it to my car.
1 Rear fog light stalk and rear light Rear fogs not legal for OEM in US
2 Exhaust tips that extend beyond the rear fascia OEM with extended tips would fail crash tests in US (more damage value at lower speeds)
3 Back up camera Should have got a 16 FRS (not really sure why the BRZ didn't get them though)
4 Side marker lights that act as a blinker They don't? (Really I have never looked. May also be a regulatory thing)
:confused0068::iono:

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STV3 07-13-2015 03:41 PM

Ill glady sell you my JDM toyota tips that :-)

STV3 07-13-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2319570)
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I don't think rear fogs are illegal in the US, just not required. A lot of Audi's and Mercedes have rear fogs built into their taillights.

Tcoat 07-13-2015 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by STV3 (Post 2319574)
I don't think rear fogs are illegal in the US, just not required. A lot of Audi's and Mercedes have rear fogs built into their taillights.

May be just an individual State thing then. There was a big thread on it once and I know at least a couple of guys quoted laws forbidding rear fogs.

fika84 07-13-2015 03:46 PM

You should probably just trade it in for a new Mustang..

STV3 07-13-2015 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2319578)
May be just an individual State thing then. There was a big thread on it once and I know at least a couple of guys quoted laws forbidding rear fogs.

Really? Thats odd. Maybe because they come with it built into the taillights and it isn't an additional light its ok.

swarb 07-13-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2319578)
May be just an individual State thing then. There was a big thread on it once and I know at least a couple of guys quoted laws forbidding rear fogs.

It is a gray(grey?) area. It can't be used as a fog light(in California), but you can use it as a courtesy light or loading light like on trucks.

SkAsphalt 07-13-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 2319439)
New owner here, a few things I wished my 2015 Limited came with stock. I wish I didn't have to figure out how to add it to my car.
1 Rear fog light stalk and rear light
2 Exhaust tips that extend beyond the rear fascia
3 Back up camera
4 Side marker lights that act as a blinker
:confused0068::iono:


1. Cheap, easy, few hours of work
2. Most nations do not allow for this, laws yo
3. 20-30 bucks, figure it out or swivel your head
4. yeah, I wish it did this too, so I found a DIY on the forum and did it for less than $2....

ryoma 07-13-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2319586)
It is a gray(grey?) area. It can't be used as a fog light(in California), but you can use it as a courtesy light or loading light like on trucks.

don't the 370z's have it?

Tcoat 07-13-2015 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by STV3 (Post 2319583)
Really? Thats odd. Maybe because they come with it built into the taillights and it isn't an additional light its ok.

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2319586)
It is a gray(grey?) area. It can't be used as a fog light(in California), but you can use it as a courtesy light or loading light like on trucks.

Found the law.
The problem was that the guys wanted white fogs and they can only be red and the center light is too low according to the law.

24602. (a) A vehicle may be equipped with not more than two red fog taillamps mounted on the rear which may be lighted, in addition to the required taillamps, only when atmospheric conditions, such as fog, rain, snow, smoke, or dust, reduce the daytime or nighttime visibility of other vehicles to less than 500 feet.

(b) The lamps authorized under subdivision (a) shall be installed as follows:

(1) When two lamps are installed, one shall be mounted at the left side and one at the right side at the same level and as close as practical to the sides. When one lamp is installed, it shall be mounted as close as practical to the left side or on the center of the vehicle.

(2) The lamps shall be mounted not lower than 12 inches nor higher than 60 inches.

(3) The edge of the lens of the lamp shall be no closer than four inches from the edge of the lens of any stoplamp.

(4) The lamps shall be wired so they can be turned on only when the headlamps are on and shall have a switch that allows them to be turned off when the headlamps are on

STV3 07-13-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2319595)
Found the law.
The problem was that the guys wanted white fogs and they can only be red and the center light is too low according to the law.

24602. (a) A vehicle may be equipped with not more than two red fog taillamps mounted on the rear which may be lighted, in addition to the required taillamps, only when atmospheric conditions, such as fog, rain, snow, smoke, or dust, reduce the daytime or nighttime visibility of other vehicles to less than 500 feet.

(b) The lamps authorized under subdivision (a) shall be installed as follows:

(1) When two lamps are installed, one shall be mounted at the left side and one at the right side at the same level and as close as practical to the sides. When one lamp is installed, it shall be mounted as close as practical to the left side or on the center of the vehicle.

(2) The lamps shall be mounted not lower than 12 inches nor higher than 60 inches.

(3) The edge of the lens of the lamp shall be no closer than four inches from the edge of the lens of any stoplamp.

(4) The lamps shall be wired so they can be turned on only when the headlamps are on and shall have a switch that allows them to be turned off when the headlamps are on



Ahhhh ok good to know. I have mine wired as a brake/taillight. Havent been bothered yet :iono:

Papi 07-13-2015 05:26 PM

Thanks for the info, only thing is when I do the electrical mods I prefer not to splice. I would rather build a harness so I can swap to OEM if I had to. Plus it's much cleaner. Thanks for the law I'm going to measure the light

ryoma 07-13-2015 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 2319719)
Thanks for the info, only thing is when I do the electrical mods I prefer not to splice. I would rather build a harness so I can swap to OEM if I had to. Plus it's much cleaner. Thanks for the law I'm going to measure the light

Nsidious makes a plug and play harness with bulb. all you need to do is drill a hole in the housing. although it's a bit expensive, it's as PnP as you can get. you just connect a plug between the OEM harness to tail light and find a ground.

Tcoat 07-13-2015 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 2319719)
Thanks for the info, only thing is when I do the electrical mods I prefer not to splice. I would rather build a harness so I can swap to OEM if I had to. Plus it's much cleaner. Thanks for the law I'm going to measure the light

This may help.

tyrantcf 07-13-2015 06:28 PM

Do we not have enough of these rant threads?

Speed2th 07-13-2015 06:31 PM

i think i read somewhere that if exhaust tip extend to far out and gets hot= burn leg = lawsuit = what American likes to do

There is a company sells plug and play fog light kit
http://nsidiusindustries.bigcartel.c...t-wire-harness

Tcoat 07-13-2015 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tyrantcf (Post 2319818)
Do we not have enough of these rant threads?

Hmmm maybe we need a rant thread for ranting about rants. Could get as confusing as hell though.

Tcoat 07-13-2015 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Speed2th (Post 2319821)
i think i read somewhere that if exhaust tip extend to far out and gets hot= burn leg = lawsuit = what American likes to do

There is a company sells plug and play fog light kit
http://nsidiusindustries.bigcartel.c...t-wire-harness

One of the rear crash test criteria is that a car should only sustain $XXX (I don't remember the actual dollar value) in a 10mph crash. The bumper skin is designed to absorb most of the force/damage at that low speed and protect the operating parts of the car. Exhaust that protrudes out too far beyond the skin can take the brunt of the force before it is absorbed by the bumper skin. If the exhaust takes the full force it is far more than just some bent tips you are looking at. The force can be transmitted all the way forward and wipe out the exhaust, header, block, wiring and other critical components.
It was this simple 10mph front crash rule that kept the Evos out of Canada up until the X because the old intercooler set up would not survive even a low speed crash and the repairs were above the value threshold.


Oh and yes people could get burned and sue I suppose.

Talus1 07-13-2015 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2319595)
Found the law.
The problem was that the guys wanted white fogs and they can only be red...

Funny, we had a Saab 900 and a 9-3, both with rear fog lights, for a combined total of 15 years. We probably only used the rear fog lights a couple of times. In all those years, I never noticed that there was only one light, that it was on the left and that it was red! Must have been the only bulb on either of those cars that didn't burn out! (I've never owned a car on which I had to replace bulbs more often than those damned Funny Swedish Cars).

Papi 07-13-2015 09:11 PM

Thanks for the info on the p n p harness but I actually would like the rear fog not another brake light

Papi 07-14-2015 12:13 AM

Let me clarify something. I only want the exhaust tips to be flush to maybe 1/4" beyond

krayzie 07-14-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Talus1 (Post 2319922)
Funny, we had a Saab 900 and a 9-3, both with rear fog lights, for a combined total of 15 years. We probably only used the rear fog lights a couple of times. In all those years, I never noticed that there was only one light, that it was on the left and that it was red! Must have been the only bulb on either of those cars that didn't burn out! (I've never owned a car on which I had to replace bulbs more often than those damned Funny Swedish Cars).

For cars only equipped with one rear fog light, according to the EU it has to be either center mounted or on the driver side (I retrofitted this onto my previous Golf GTI and the rear fog light replaced the driver side reverse light, popped in an European light switch, rewired it underneath the dash, and reprogrammed the car computer with VAGCOM).

Also for EU countries if cars are equipped with HID headlights, they need headlight washers and auto leveling to mitigate glare in the event they get dirty. The twins will have these features stock when sold in Europe.

I thought about adding the OEM rear fogs to the BRZ but the wiring harness from the dash to the fuse / relay box just simply doesn't have the wiring for it in place like the RoW cars. In Japan this is an option that can be added since the wiring is already there.

Icanfaptothis86 07-14-2015 11:50 AM

backup cameras are for n00b choads

funwheeldrive 07-14-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Icanfaptothis86 (Post 2320644)
backup cameras are for n00b choads

This is true. The BRZ/FRS is incredibly small, if you can't back it up without a camera then you're in trouble.

Icanfaptothis86 07-14-2015 12:04 PM

i have a backup camera installed on my sport bike

Icanfaptothis86 07-14-2015 03:32 PM

use the backup camera to find ur wien

Poodles 07-15-2015 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Icanfaptothis86 (Post 2320644)
backup cameras are for n00b choads



http://rlv.zcache.com/do_you_underst..._f0ce3_324.jpg

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2320651)
This is true. The BRZ/FRS is incredibly small, if you can't back it up without a camera then you're in trouble.


Small, with a high back window, poor reverse light location, and a lot of us have tint...

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Originally Posted by Icanfaptothis86 (Post 2320659)
i have a backup camera installed on my sport bike


cool story bro

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Originally Posted by Icanfaptothis86 (Post 2320959)
use the backup camera to find ur wien



What are you, five?

funwheeldrive 07-15-2015 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2321598)
Small, with a high back window

That's why you use your mirrors.

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Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2321598)
poor reverse light location

That's why you get a LED reverse light.

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Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2321598)
and a lot of us have tint...

That's why you don't get a tint that is so dark that it inhibits rearward visibility.

http://i.imgur.com/03oq4S0.jpg

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Originally Posted by Poodles (Post 2321598)
What are you, five?

What are you, sixty-five?


I'm just giving crap. I don't mind people installing rearview cameras. This is one of the easiest cars I've ever backed up though. I feel like a parallel parking champion in this car.

Poodles 07-15-2015 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 2321609)
That's why you use your mirrors.


That's why you get a LED reverse light.


That's why you don't get a tint that is so dark that it inhibits rearward visibility.

I'm just giving crap. I don't mind people installing rearview cameras. This is one of the easiest cars I've ever backed up though. I feel like a parallel parking champion in this car.



1) Yeah, but it's hard to judge distances. It's not like an old Miata where I swear I could almost touch the edge of the trunk by turning around in the seat... It's why I haven't gotten a diffuser of any kind yet, I'd end up hitting it on a curb as I back into spots usually.


2) Got one (valenti) but it's still not enough lol. Brake lights are brighter and help more it seems.


3) 35% is the dasrkest you can legally go here, and as it's hot as hell here with crazy sun, it's at that number. If I had the option at the time of going with the louvers I probably would have and skipped the rear tint. As it is, I tend to roll my windows down and use the side mirrors at night.


4) Yep, this car is far from the worst, but the general trend of high back windows isn't helping things.

Tcoat 07-15-2015 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Papi (Post 2320030)
Thanks for the info on the p n p harness but I actually would like the rear fog not another brake light

These may be of interest to you:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81011
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91661

wbradley 07-15-2015 09:49 AM

I can see the usefulness of a backup camera. is the other stuff worth ranting over?? How old are you? Sounds more likef a whine.
If its that important to you there's a huge aftermarket to support your wants. Otherwise the car meets all current safety standards if that's you concern, though like most you probably just want your car to "look" JDM.

Icanfaptothis86 07-15-2015 11:42 AM

Poodles what happened to your jimmies ?

Koa 07-15-2015 11:49 AM

I LIVE IN MARYSVILLE

Rampage 07-15-2015 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by STV3 (Post 2319574)
I don't think rear fogs are illegal in the US, just not required. A lot of Audi's and Mercedes have rear fogs built into their taillights.

Yeah, my A4 had the rear fog light. I was constantly getting people telling me that I had a tail light out when I drove with the fog lights on. Only one rear light illuminates when the fogs are on but the other lights are not.

Papi 07-15-2015 02:59 PM

I'm 51 and its a functionality thing. Everything I mentioned I can incorporate myself with a little research. I live on Firetrail Road


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