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Timmy_Jones 07-09-2015 12:49 PM

I'm new to the whole 'Fat Shaming' thing
 
This article came up on cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/living...eat/index.html

So basically, a skinny mother/daughter, laugh at plus sized clothes, plus size woman over heard them, starts crying, leaves store, comes back in store, buys plus size clothes and takes a picture wearing clothes, internet goes wild with cheers and support.

Why is it okay to be overweight in America? I am sensitive to others and their feelings (within reason), but why is this overweight woman being praised?? Why can't she take the negative from the people making fun of clothes and turn it into motivation? I would support her, if the story ended with, 'I bought healthy food and a gym membership'.

What if someone made fun of an alcoholic, or even worse...a smoker (queue evil music). And they posted how much they liked their destructive behavior? They wouldn't have supporters and tons of people congratulating them.

This behavior is destructive and I don't understand the support groups for it. I guess its more of a rant than anything, but am I missing something?

Special_K 07-09-2015 01:01 PM

I hate weighing in on threads that have the possibility of becoming a shit-show, so I'm going to defer to one of my personal heroes, Ron Swanson.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll...ae66o1_500.jpg

swarb 07-09-2015 01:05 PM

It's ok because nearly half our country is obese.
I'm "skinny" in America. Average everywhere else.

Healthy is a lifestyle, not one meal you post on social media.
If you aren't comfortable in your own skin, maybe you should do something about it. Like not care or exercise/eat better.
Exercise is not walking around the block at a snails pace after you have eaten at a buffet.

Tcoat 07-09-2015 01:09 PM

What you are missing is that people come in all shapes and sizes and can still be happy with themselves. They do not need to feel ridiculed for what they are. Just because they are larger does not mean have "destructive behaivour"
Not everybody feels the need to go to the gym, drink protein shakes and do gimmicky diets (i.e. soylent) to be the "ideal" size and body tone. In fact some of these sorts of behaivour can be just as "destructive" as being overweight.

Live and let live dude and don't expect everybody to want to live up to your personal standard.

Tcoat 07-09-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2315387)
I hate weighing in on threads that have the possibility of becoming a shit-show, so I'm going to defer to one of my personal heroes, Ron Swanson.

Like the rest of the "I hate fat people and everybody should be like me" threads that pop up every once in a while this one will probably get deleted before it reaches to high a shit show level.

Timmy_Jones 07-09-2015 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2315402)
Live and let live dude and don't expect everybody to want to live up to your personal standard.

I don't have a care in the world about her being fat, I'm alarmed at people supporting her...its an unhealthy behavior.

Timmy_Jones 07-09-2015 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special_K (Post 2315387)
I hate weighing in on threads that have the possibility of becoming a shit-show, so I'm going to defer to one of my personal heroes, Ron Swanson.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll...ae66o1_500.jpg

I agree, and love the quote. I have trouble when people support her for being brave and noble and defiant....no, she is unhealthy

Tcoat 07-09-2015 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 2315410)
I don't have a care in the world about her being fat, I'm alarmed at people supporting her...its an unhealthy behavior.

Well in fairness the pics didn't come up on my computer so I really don't know how "fat" she is. There is a big difference between being overweight and grossly obese.

rlpaul 07-09-2015 01:18 PM

There are legitimate reasons why some people can't lose weight too, such as a thyroid condition. Not 50% of the country legitimate, I grant you...

I think a lot of it also has to do with our infrastructure. In North America, you drive EVERYWHERE. In other countries, public transit is a lot more commonplace. Which translates into a lot more walking. Which in turn translates to a higher caloric burn.

There's also a big difference between being gluttonous and not. That, in my opinion is destructive by nature. Other people may be larger simply from lack of exercise, which I wouldn't categorize as destructive.

Personally, I believe everybody should exercise weekly, regardless of body shape. I exercise regularly, but nobody in their right mind would call me skinny :P Even when I was running 20 miles a week, I was never skinny.

I can't tell you how many unhealthy skinny people I know. In other words, overweight != unhealthy, and skinny != healthy.

Special_K 07-09-2015 01:26 PM

One last interjection from me... Please, don't use CNN as your news source.

NWFRS 07-09-2015 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2315402)
What you are missing is that people come in all shapes and sizes and can still be happy with themselves. They do not need to feel ridiculed for what they are. Just because they are larger does not mean have "destructive behaivour"
Not everybody feels the need to go to the gym, drink protein shakes and do gimmicky diets (i.e. soylent) to be the "ideal" size and body tone. In fact some of these sorts of behaivour can be just as "destructive" as being overweight.

Live and let live dude and don't expect everybody to want to live up to your personal standard.

It all depends on your definition of "destructive behavior".

My wifey works in Neuclear Medicine. She does scans on people on a daily basis that need to be lifted onto the table with a CRANE. Most of these people have health complications that can be directly tied to their weight, which is a result of their lifestyle. As a result of their poor health they are unable to work which qualifies them for Medicare. Which means that you and I and every other taxpayer in the US is paying for their scans, medicine, surgeries, etc, and will continue to pay untill they put themselves in an early grave. And I'm not talking about preexisting conditions, that's a different story altogether.

Not holding myself up as a model of healthy living by any means. I'm just saying there IS a cost to poor personal maintenance, it's a cost to all of us, and it's expensive. :(

/rant.

Tcoat 07-09-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2315435)
It all depends on your definition of "destructive behavior".

My wifey works in Neuclear Medicine. She does scans on people on a daily basis that need to be lifted onto the table with a CRANE. Most of these people have health complications that can be directly tied to their weight, which is a result of their lifestyle. As a result of their poor health they are unable to work which qualifies them for Medicare. Which means that you and I and every other taxpayer in the US is paying for their scans, medicine, surgeries, etc, and will continue to pay untill they put themselves in an early grave. And I'm not talking about preexisting conditions, that's a different story altogether.

Not holding myself up as a model of healthy living by any means. I'm just saying there IS a cost to poor personal maintenance, it's a cost to all of us, and it's expensive. :(

/rant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2315414)
Well in fairness the pics didn't come up on my computer so I really don't know how "fat" she is. There is a big difference between being overweight and grossly obese.

No argument here!

NWFRS 07-09-2015 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2315439)
No argument here!

Oh! I wasn't taking issue-more just adding to it. No one is born fat, but obesity is a slippery slope...

...now where did I leave my cookies...

rlpaul 07-09-2015 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2315471)
Oh! I wasn't taking issue-more just adding to it. No one is born fat, but obesity is a slippery slope...

...now where did I leave my cookies...

*crunch crunch* What cookies?

:scared0016:

Tcoat 07-09-2015 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2315471)
Oh! I wasn't taking issue-more just adding to it. No one is born fat, but obesity is a slippery slope...

...now where did I leave my cookies...

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlpaul (Post 2315479)
*crunch crunch* What cookies?

:scared0016:

Damn it. Where are you guys getting all these cookies???

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...023e4cb089.jpg

echo419 07-09-2015 02:00 PM

I'm just gonna leave this here.
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/14789132.jpg

but seriously I have some strong opinions on this issue but a lot of you like me(or so it seems) and I don't want to ruin it. :lol:

rlpaul 07-09-2015 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2315483)
Damn it. Where are you guys getting all these cookies???

I stole mine from NWF--- I mean uhhh, I don't have any cookies?

Special_K 07-09-2015 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2315471)
Oh! I wasn't taking issue-more just adding to it. No one is born fat, but obesity is a slippery slope...

...now where did I leave my cookies...

What the hell kind of baby were you? I was definitely born fat, 9lbs 8oz., if my BMI now matched when I was a newborn, I'm pretty sure I'd be clearing 700lbs!

NWFRS 07-09-2015 02:03 PM

Emergency tool kit...
http://i.imgur.com/vljQs5Q.jpg

echo419 07-09-2015 02:04 PM

per BMI I am morbidly obese. that being said BMI is garbage. ;)

rlpaul 07-09-2015 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by echo419 (Post 2315491)
per BMI I am morbidly obese. that being said BMI is garbage. ;)

I'd look like this if I was down to my "BMI" weight:

http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-c...machinist.jpeg

strat61caster 07-09-2015 02:12 PM

Because news organizations have the double motivation that articles about TPP don't generate ad revenue and their owners don't want them writing about the TPP. Replace TPP with whatever issue is insanely important but being swept under the rug at the time (roughly every ~4 months or so something new pops up).

/tinfoil hat

Culturally from a pseudo-science bullshit I wanna feel smart freakonomics perspective I like to think we are experiencing the "everybody gets a ribbon" attitude of child rearing conceptualized in the 60's-70's (Thanks Spock?) and implemented in the 80's-00's.

Tcoat 07-09-2015 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2315510)
Because news organizations have the double motivation that articles about TPP don't generate ad revenue and their owners don't want them writing about the TPP. Replace TPP with whatever issue is insanely important but being swept under the rug at the time (roughly every ~4 months or so something new pops up).

/tinfoil hat

Culturally from a pseudo-science bullshit I wanna feel smart freakonomics perspective I like to think we are experiencing the "everybody gets a ribbon" attitude of child rearing conceptualized in the 60's-70's (Thanks Spock?) and implemented in the 80's-00's.

I want a ribbon!
For something.
Anything really.
I missed that era (and made bloody sure my kids did as well).

echo419 07-09-2015 02:14 PM

screw TPP. I'm all about OPP.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7759ce7338.jpg

Timmy_Jones 07-09-2015 02:16 PM

Again guys, I am not saying she is fat and a horrible person….I am alarmed she is fat and people all over the US are telling her how strong and amazing she is. No, she is overweight and bought a shirt that fits her, which someone much smaller made fun of.

What if I made fun of an oversized, 100oz beer, made an alcoholic cry (who overheard me) and then they bought the bottle and drank the whole thing (which doesn’t bother me, to this point), but THEN posted on social media they did so and were supported. ‘Oh, you are so strong, its ok if you are an alchoholic, drink your beer and be proud, stand up for yourself, don’t let those sober kids bring you down!’

strat61caster 07-09-2015 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 2315521)
Again guys, I am not saying she is fat and a horrible person….I am alarmed she is fat and people all over the US are telling her how strong and amazing she is. No, she is overweight and bought a shirt that fits her, which someone much smaller made fun of.

What if I made fun of an oversized, 100oz beer, made an alcoholic cry (who overheard me) and then they bought the bottle and drank the whole thing (which doesn’t bother me, to this point), but THEN posted on social media they did so and were supported. ‘Oh, you are so strong, its ok if you are an alchoholic, drink your beer and be proud, stand up for yourself, don’t let those sober kids bring you down!’

Poor example, that definitely happens it just doesn't hit CNN. Western culture is incredibly alcoholic. Name a handful of modern sitcoms, I guarantee you at least one of them contains an alcoholic character that is not treated as an alcoholic, some of them consist entirely of alcoholics (How I Met Your Mother).

There's nothing to understand, its for ad revenue, either from people who preach love and tolerance to all or people like you.

rlpaul 07-09-2015 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2315517)
I want a ribbon!
For something.
Anything really.
I missed that era (and made bloody sure my kids did as well).

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2315510)
Culturally from a pseudo-science bullshit I wanna feel smart freakonomics perspective I like to think we are experiencing the "everybody gets a ribbon" attitude of child rearing conceptualized in the 60's-70's (Thanks Spock?) and implemented in the 80's-00's.

IIRC, didn't Doc Spock eventually apologize for his theories on child-upbringing? Late 90s if memory serves.

Timmy_Jones 07-09-2015 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2315530)
Poor example, that definitely happens it just doesn't hit CNN. Western culture is incredibly alcoholic. Name a handful of modern sitcoms, I guarantee you at least one of them contains an alcoholic character that is not treated as an alcoholic, some of them consist entirely of alcoholics (How I Met Your Mother).

Its a great example, as is the one you gave here...I understand your example and think its wrong. We shouldn't show unhealthy behavior in a positive light.

Tcoat 07-09-2015 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlpaul (Post 2315533)
IIRC, didn't Doc Spock eventually apologize for his theories on child-upbringing? Late 90s if memory serves.

So I don't get a ribbon?

Tcoat 07-09-2015 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones (Post 2315540)
Its a great example, as is the one you gave here...I understand your example and think its wrong. We shouldn't show unhealthy behavior in a positive light.

Again, being overweight by a set standard is not necessarily "unhealthy behavior" unto itself.
Your example of comparing a giving an alcoholic a beer does not work with a woman putting on a large size shirt. Now, if she had grabbed a burger and fries in protest then that would have been different.

Tcoat 07-09-2015 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by echo419 (Post 2315518)
screw TPP. I'm all about OPP.

Not a big fan of O.P.P sometimes.

http://www.advanced-inc.com/wp-conte...2/03/OPP-1.jpg

TheVoiceOfReason 07-09-2015 02:41 PM

I didn't get a ribbon for losing 70 lbs. I'm sure not praising someone for being lazy and overweight. I pay a lot in taxes and health insurance premiums that go to people who gave up caring about their health. I would prefer this money be spent on those who are not unhealthy by choice.

Tcoat 07-09-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVoiceOfReason (Post 2315562)
I didn't get a ribbon for losing 70 lbs. I'm sure not praising someone for being lazy and overweight. I pay a lot in taxes and health insurance premiums that go to people who gave up caring about their health. I would prefer this money be spent on those who are not unhealthy by choice.

But that is making an assumption that everybody that is overweight is "lazy" and unhealthy.
I could throw a huge number of stereotypes up that just are not true and would get me banned in a second!

We are currently talking about this:
http://www.local12.com/template/stor...ZmZTFlOTEz.jpg



Not this:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/30/t...l/nydubevu.jpg

echo419 07-09-2015 03:04 PM

a lot of times I see stories about people getting "offended" that a skinny or fit person is in an advertisement or tv show or whatever and that is "fat shaming". this whole PC thing has just gotten out of control.

it's gone from "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" to "STICKS AND STONES!?!?!?! SOMEONE LOCK DOWN THE BUILDING AND CALL THE COPS!!! oh and words will send me to a therapist for the rest of my life. :lol:

TheVoiceOfReason 07-09-2015 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2315570)
But that is making an assumption that everybody that is overweight is "lazy" and unhealthy.
I could throw a huge number of stereotypes up that just are not true and would get me banned in a second!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVoiceOfReason (Post 2315562)
I didn't get a ribbon for losing 70 lbs. I'm sure not praising someone for being lazy and overweight. I pay a lot in taxes and health insurance premiums that go to people who gave up caring about their health. I would prefer this money be spent on those who are not unhealthy by choice.

I am fully understanding of these people. I understand some have other health issues that attribute being overweight, and I think they should be accepted for it as there isn't always much they can do about it. I don't think that is the case in the situation of the girl in the tank top though (I could be wrong).

echo419 07-09-2015 03:09 PM

she probably just likes ice cream. I to like ice cream and I know an ice cream eater when I see one. :p

tennisfreak 07-09-2015 03:29 PM

The United States has a major problem with obesity, and I do not think it is "OK" for it to be socially acceptable and supported to be obese.

There are multiple ways used to determine if a person is obese http://www.webmd.com/diet/am-i-obese. And yes the woman in the article is by definition "obese".

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ea/ea818...62f88e1e9b.jpg

strat61caster 07-09-2015 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by echo419 (Post 2315592)
she probably just likes ice cream. I to like ice cream and I know an ice cream eater when I see one. :p

EXTRA EXTRA
http://inbound.anchorstl.com/wp-cont...l-About-It.jpg


Skinny people don't like Ice Cream, Hate America, to be stoned in public square tomorrow.



Quote:

Originally Posted by rlpaul (Post 2315533)
IIRC, didn't Doc Spock eventually apologize for his theories on child-upbringing? Late 90s if memory serves.

I haven't found anything that suggests that, and looking into it he was very moderate; check out the wiki article on his first book:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Co...and_Child_Care

I regret bringing him into the conversation, while he likely kickstarted the trend to the mindset we've had for the past ~30 years he should not be held accountable.

echo419 07-09-2015 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2315617)
EXTRA EXTRA
http://inbound.anchorstl.com/wp-cont...l-About-It.jpg


Skinny people don't like Ice Cream, Hate America, to be stoned in public square tomorrow.

I've got my rocks. :bonk:

I should point out that while I'm not skinny I'm not fat either. without bragging to much(seewhatididthere) I'm 5'10" 225 and have abs. :lol:

I'm just big enough and train hard enough to where I can eat whatever I want all the time and really only have to worry about things like cholesterol which I don't by the way. it's probably sky high. :lol:

Tcoat 07-09-2015 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2315617)
, to be stoned in public square tomorrow.
.

Are they all in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon or Washington?
Wait a second. Is that the only way they can get people to live in those States?


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